When the attempt wasn’t made at all. It is always better to try something and fail than never to try at all. At least from failure you learn.
Khmer Rouge followed by Shining Path
Khmer Rouge is weird because they literally went against the very most foundational Marxist concepts. They were merely utopian socialists, at the very best. Atleast, from my knowledge.
Pol Pot was just an ultranationalist using a Marxist coat of paint to garner additional support. He said so himself multiple times.
I read a source about Kampuchea (Khmer Rouge might not even be the right name but I do not remember) on Marxists.org, and it basically said that it was a agricultural-primitivist movement or something like that, so I do not think the socialist label would fit them at all.
He wanted to bring back feudalism and the Khmer Empire. Every socialist state urbanized and build infrastructure, he did the opposite.
A good thing to remember that during the cold war many states used the label of socialism to grift support. Somalia and Tanzania are good examples of that.
Well, I just remember reading that he wanted a return to this idealized Cambodian society set entriely within an agarian format(?). Intellectuals, factories, even the Proletarians were an obstruction to this. We as MLs know why this is stupid frankly. He reminded me of Utopian Socialists during Lenin’s time who wanted to prevent or ‘skip’ Capitalism… including continuing peasant-style relations and modes of production. That’s why I described him as such, but maybe Reactionary is a better label.
this was awhile ago, I remember reading about it.
Reminds me of national-socialism using “socialism” (it even fools some libservantives).
Could you explain how those two countries specifically used socialism to grift?
The soviet union used to financially support socialist countries with development aid. Arms sales and research contribution as well.
Oh I see …
Yeah like they supported the USA, but called themselves socialist and got like soviet prospectors to scout out natural resources. Tbf Tanzania ideology was closer to Mussolini’s anyway.
Khmer Rogue was literally just Nazi Germany with a bit more of a strasserite bend.
is it stupid to say japan because my jaw dropped when i learned about how radical the JCP used to be but now its a socdem type organisation. i haven’t even got into the cold war history of the party and i’m scared to find out the details of what the CIA really did to them 😭
The League of Communists of Macedonia, who were the remnants of the CPYu in Macedonia (after its seperation from Yugoslavia in 1991), eventually turned into the Social-Democratic union of Macedonia. The current opposition. They’re known for doing nothing. Oh, and they’re not even the mildly left-leaning party I’ve mentioned before. They’re centrists at best.
Ceauşescu, probably
Banned abortion
Was a dick to Roma people
IMF loans / austeritywell, even if posadas didn’t do shit in argentina that’s gotta be it, right? ufos, aliens as revolutionary allies, nuclear apocalypse. posadism is one hell of a drug. and what’s even funnier is that there are still some posadistas in argentina, not so long ago i looked them up and they’re like 3 dudes (i think one was his son or related to him?) who meet and talk i guess, they can’t do much more lol.
South Park Mormon moment where the aliens do actually come down and go “No, actually, they were right all along; all Posadists step to the right of the red rope, thank you.”
Vergissing van Troelstra, also known as ‘Rode week’ (red week). This was when Dutch socialists, led by Pieter Jelles Troelstra, tried to launch a revolution in the Netherlands
Where can I read up on that? Or are there documentaries you’d recommend?
My history teacher taught our class about this a long time ago, so I have no other sources sadly
Scandinavian social democracies and the SPD are examples of total failures of parties which once were revolutionary.
SPD?? what do you mean?
Yeah, I know but SPD was founded to halt the revolution by yhe Kautsky not to spread.
I’d go with the Khmer Rouge. However, there are lots of ways to define “worst”:
- The Khmer Rouge was simply genocidal, and they were killing loads while in power.
- The Japanese Communist Party is very ineffective. Barely anybody in Japan even considers them. While their revisionism makes them akin to a SocDem party of any other nation, the staggering part is their size, that being as big as an after-school club.
- The CPUSA became full of revisionism after WWII.
Does worst mean fell into internal revisionism the most, was least able to grow and spread thruout the people, or least able to survive the USA? I mean, where does one draw the line between a communist party that is incredibly revisionist (ie, the CPUSA), or a bourgeois party that brands itself left-wing (ie the Movement for a People’s Party)?
Was the Kampuchea communist at all?
I mean, probably not. I was trying to think of where the line is between a Communist org that lapses deep in revisionism and a SocDem org that really wants revolution but doesn’t understand MatCon. It’s almost like the sorites paradox.
Maybe the Paris commune, but I am not very knowledgable on it.
On a sidenote, your questions do seem to be very specific, comrade. I don’t know how to word it, but there is something about the types of questions and their wording that seems off to me.
Paris Commune was fairly alright, but doomed from the outset when the organizers failed to secure further support from the military, police force, or larger public. The movement was incredibly premature, although the aims were noble and what was accomplished within the two months the government was in power was fairly impressive.
PatSocism/MAGA “Communism” probably
my collective house crica 1999 lolololol the dishes har har har
Not the worst but the most unfortunate is spartakus league.
How far do you have to get for an attempt to count? CHAZ?
1971 Turkish military memorandum
whats that?
leftist generals tried to establish a socialist government by giving a memorandum in 1971. 1960 coup defacto organizer Cemal Madanoğlu was the leader. After that memorandum de facto Turkish Civil War started. Left had a support from a few leftist military generals but bourgeoisie won by splitting the left with Maoist and Trotskyist.
Especially, Maoist and Trotskyist were very useful for CIA to paralyze the movement. Another factor was the left lost its main leaders like Mahir Çayan, Deniz Gezmiş.
1980 Coup de etat orchestrated by the CIA massacred, tortured and executed many leftist generals, officers and comrades.
Zohran Mamdani
