If so, was it polled somewhere?

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    So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.

    TL;DR- Don’t defederate Hexbear because they’re a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they’re annoying, and will burn out your moderators.

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      Personally I think it’s an extremely toxic community that represents the worst of the internet. They’re extremely set in their ways and provide no meaningful content or discussions on the platform. That’s totally fine for them but they can do whatever they want in their own safe space.

      I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.

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        I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.

        This is in development, fingers crossed it could even come in the next version of lemmy.

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      I commented on here already about our instances interaction with hexbear. It’s a disaster that led to somehow them defedarating from Blahaj for being not safe for their LGBT members even tho Blahaj is like one of the most accepting instance for LGBT people. Many of us were trying to ask our admin to defederate from them because those on our instance felt unsafe. Felt like a “no u” moment they tried to pull before we defederated them for not being safe for our members lol.

      Then Blahaj started getting spammed by a new user who was calling a bunch of trans users anti trans. They also said our admins was anti trans even though she was openly trans. Then that user began spamming across lemmy how Blahaj and it’s admin were anti-trans and should not be visited.

      Also saw that user get a Blahaj user banned from lemmy.world even though nobody in that discussion was commenting on an lemmy.world community. It has a lot of shit so everything below is just that story.

      What happened was another trans Blahaj user commented on a post on some 3rd instance and the OP of that post basically said “I know your reputation from elsewhere and your comment here proves your anti-trans reputation”. The Blahaj user went wtf and then realized the OP was one of those commenting on the original trolls post and was basically saying the Blahaj user was anti trans. The Blahaj user was rightfully pissed and accused the OP of being an alt of that troll since they wrote in the same style as the original troll (I honestly was feeling the same as I read it all). The OP wouldn’t reply and just stuff like " I refuse to reply to you" or “please don’t talk to me” or “I respectfully ask you to not engage with me”. It all felt trollish since that OP was the only who started the argument and now refused to engage after starting.

      After the 3rd attempt at an reply , a lemmy.world admin came in saying that if the Blahaj user replied one more time to OP then they would be permanently banned from all of lemmy.world. Keep in mind this wasn’t even on lemmy.world and the whole thing started because OP insulted a trans user by stating they were anti-trans. The Blahaj user was still pissed since she got insulted for saying she has the reputation of somebody who would hate everything she was and replied again. The original troll from way earlier came to the post & replied to her and tagged the lemmy.world admin saying they needed to be banned for being a chaser and replying after being told not to. Then the Blahaj user got banned.

      It still feels so fucked that a lemmy.world admin would step into that 3rd instance and threaten the Blahaj user with loss of access to the biggest lemmy instance if she didn’t ignore being called an anti-trans. It really helped show me the short comings of lemmy since every instances admin will probably just take what a user from their instance state as fact and ignore the other person.

      Sorry for that long comment. It’s just that I saw how hexbear will twist words in their favor like with claiming Blahaj isn’t safe for their LGBT members and then strangely had new accounts show up calling trans Blahaj users as anti-trans and realized that it was just way too on the nose as where could these users have came from.

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          We all laughed in Blahaj when they defederated first lol. It was so childish for them to block us for being unsafe right before we were about to do it lmfao. They tried so hard to change the narrative but it failed.

          I feel bad for any instance that has to deal with them in a daily bases. It makes scrolling through lemmy annoying unless you block every fucking community from them.

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          Maybe we should encourage defederation from our end, that way we’ll be safe from them since if they defederate us they can change their mind whenever they want and go back to spamming us if they are bored.

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        Could you fucking not? If they annoy you, block them. If they don’t break any rules and you report them anyways, the only thing you’ll achieve is annoying SJW moderators. At that point, you’ll get banned before Hexbear gets defederated.

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          As a moderator in a different community, please DO report all malicious comments posted wherever they are

          Moderators with a brain understands the purpose of the “I wasn’t born yesterday rule”

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          Are you a mod?

          I suspect they are coordinating to boost their comments in other communities/instances. Their fringe political views are always highly upvoted, I just find it suspicious. Many places have rules against brigading, so where I suspect it I will report it.

          Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right. But I still think it’s good to communicate to the mods/admins that a lot of users do not like hexbear because they are disruptive in every community they visit.

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              Reporting != report abuse.

              Their reporting is legitimate because the tankies actually are concern trolling, brigading and causing problems.

              But we both know you won’t admit that and will argue the point into the ground because you, yourself are concern trolling. Just how the game is played.

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                Basically every hexbear comment is disruptive and designed to provoke drama. They are not participating in good faith, and I suspect they coordinate to boost their fringe political views.

                I think it’s perfectly fine to report them if I suspect that.

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      A bit misleading description of CTH on reddit, because they most certainly developed their obnoxious behaviour and jargon already back then, and they did very little to combat racism and fascism there precisely becuase their obnoxious behaviour was counter-productive to such goals (also there were other subreddits far more active and useful in combating fascism and bigotry on reddit such as r/againstallhatesubreddits, which did actual work on deplatforming fascists).

      But other than that it is an apt description of their behaviour here and why they pose such a problem for lemmy in general.

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    Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear’s side there was a thread to discuss it.

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    Sucks for you guys. They caused nothing but trouble when they were still federated with Blahaj.

    After so many of us complained about how they were being dicks and many on the instance weren’t feeling comfortable, hexbear decided to defederate from us first since they somehow said it wasn’t safe for their LGBT members to be on it.

    Funny enough a few days later a new account started posting across different lemmy instances for days about how the Blahaj instance was anti trans and that the admin was too. Our Admin is openly trans :/

    The whole argument started because the user said everything had to be political and wouldn’t stop insulting others who said they didn’t want to have every post on Blahaj to turn political.

    It was just too perfect timing how a few days after hexbear defedarated for somehow saying the pro LGBT instance was anti-LGBT, that we got a brand new account attacking trans members while sayin they were anti-trans.

    Enjoy your new people.

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      Isn’t at leat one of the admins there trans? Basic fact checking, people.

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      Hey, you’re talking about me! Yes, I was repeatedly misgendered by a user who claimed to be apolitical. Yes, I warned the admins that this user was going to be transphobic and they did nothing. Yes, I believe that trans people are capable of transphobia, because not every trans person knows every single thing in the universe about being trans.

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    I don’t mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.

    But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.

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      It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block. I went through a couple subreddits of theirs, found the top posts, blocked everyone with more than 50 upvotes. Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.

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        It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block.

        If you go to our megathread, most of the people tagged in the first comment are our most active users.

        idk if there’s a tool to mass block them, seems like it would be a pain to go through them all but you do you.

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        Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.

        This statement isn’t even internally consistent, are we teenagers or did we peak in middle school?

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          You peaked in middle school, you’re now a depressed teenager in high school or therabouts.

          Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.

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            Civility is when I get to deride anyone who disagrees with me as a child and they are forbidden from saying anything mean in return

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            Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.

            Imagine typing the paragraph that came before this, and then going on to write and post this without detecting the irony

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              Saying humans a lot makes other humans think the human saying humans is a well intentioned and reasonable human that just wants all other humans to be more reasonable and well intentioned humans. Humans. very-intelligent

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              I make no such posturing, because I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think of me. I’m not dedicating my life’s work to… making other internet less pleasant for everyone else? Because you can’t possibly be so deluded as to think your actions as a whole are positive?

              Anyways, there’s no chance in hell lil smoothbrain me is going to convince any of you enlightened geniuses of our time to pull your heads out of your collective asses. I’m just annoyed you make the meme machine worse.

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                I’m not dedicating my life’s work to… making other internet less pleasant for everyone else?

                You are posting from an instance full of people who have been doing nothing but that since we whitelisted you

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                  Pfft, please cry about it and get your whole cult to fuck off. Would be so much simpler since we can’t block entire instances yet.

                  Anyways, your echo chamber works better the more enclosed it is. Win win!

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            You can actually go to Hexbear communities like mentalhealth or mutual_aid and half the posts are shit like “I need help paying rent” and “I hate my job”

            You’re so married to the reactionary idea of “Communists are all just ignorant teenagers” that you can’t see the evidence against it when it’s right in front of you

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              No, you’re just the worst kind of communist/socialist: the insufferable type nobody else wants to fucking deal with. Stop giving socialism a bad name.

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            well intentioned and reasonable human

            Stop LARPing as a Silicon Valley logic machine. It’s creepy and cringe.

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              B R I G A D I N G

              Having other troglodytes upvote you doesn’t make you right monkeys, it makes you look transparent.

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        “America bad looool I just debunked imperialist propoganda”

        Is just about the highest IQ take I’ve seen out of hexbear. Ya’ll got that cult-like disconnection from reality.

        Also when there was a user in unixporn yesterday asking what words will replace “ricing” now that it’s entered social consciousness that the term has a racially based origin, a hexbear jumped in to say it’s now going to be called “crackering”.

        Wow, dunked on that racism so hard.

        It was so racist of that user to better themselves and replace a racial work with a non-racial word. Good thing we have hexbear to help out.

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          Having had a disagreement with you in another thread and seen you mischaracterize it as “supporting the rape of innocent women and children” to someone else, I’m fairly confident that if anyone has a cult-like disconnection from reality, it’s likely you.

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            If someone tells me it’s bad to be anti-racism, or that systemic racism isn’t real, I’m of course going to say they support racism.

            Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity. Yeah, you’re not going around raping anyone yourself, you simply supporting the system in which it occurs.

            And I don’t think supporting the system of rape is intentional on your part either. I think you’re anti-America (which is good) to the point that you’ll be apologetic towards rape (which is bad), as long as it means you keep being anti-America.

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              Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity

              No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it’s a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.

              But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn’t seem to be one of your strengths.

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                No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective

                Someone else as in a real person?

                Or a hypothetical person you made up in your head?

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                  Does knowing who’s perspective it is really change your opinion of it? Or are you asking so you know who you can accuse of being a Russian apologist?

                  If it stands up to your scrutiny then I wouldn’t think it matters.

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        All your problems are the fault of white western libs.

        We are so dunked on.

        🤡

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        There are a finite number of bloodthirsty liberals for me to block, it can be done in time

        Note to anyone reading this: I don’t mean you if you engage in good faith and with genuine intellectual curiosity, you’re fine, this isn’t me saying “I block people who disagree with me”, because It would just be me in a corner with my ice pick in that case

        we all know the types I’m talkin about

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          They’re irredeemable and I am quite upset about the entire thing but whatever. A lot of us voted in favor of federating with them but I’m too old to put up with reddit crap on my favorite online platform. Actually this is the only place I’m online and federating with a kkklanadian instance really kills my vibe

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          A hexbear user complaining about people engaging in bad faith is just… y’all are on a different planet.

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            literally 95% of my interactions with other instances’ liberals have been them saying something absurdly reactionary and not expecting to receive any pushback for having dogshit takes, and then going smuglord “Ohoho, the Hexbear tankie redfash have arrived to defend the CCP and Putler’s regime! Why am I not surprised!” without offering even the slightest counterargument because they know they have none

            we have cultivated a community of genuine good-faith discussion on Hexbear over the last three years and we aren’t about to lose it

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              Y’all are exhausting, I don’t have the time or energy to engage with paragraphs over niche Internet drama because your lot doesn’t know how to play nice. Feels exactly like when we were federated with exploding-heads. Touch some grass.

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            Can someone else tag in on this answer? I’m too lazy to the good contextpost I saw the other day a and I don’t have the energy to articulate it myself rn

            wait I just realized, literally click the link and read about what our problems were in the thread where the whole instance gave their opinions on the problems

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            Seems like most of them either don’t like that we have an anti-lemmygrad community (which, honestly, TIL), or they don’t like that we have a noncredibledefense community.

            Basically we have a couple anti-communist communities.

            That’s the only reasons I saw in that thread that were actually related to our instance.

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              My reservation was specifically that the MeanwhileOnGrad comm has a charicature of Xi Jinping where his skin is colorized to be yellow. I think that turning an Asian person’s skin yellow as a charicature is racist, and I felt that allowing that on a comm reflected poorly on the instance. I don’t mind that people hold different views from us (as many on lemm.ee and lemmy.ml do), but we don’t tolerate racism or bigotry. Despite that, I did vote to federate, in part because it’s such a small comm.

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                While not a subscriber to that community, I’m 99% certain that’s merely to enhance the Winnie the Pooh comparisons he notoriously hates.

                Yes, upon reflection, them depicting an Asian person as yellow isn’t great, but I think the majority will see it just as Pooh.

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                  While the comparison to Pooh originates from a meme in China, many of us would argue that the comparison in general has racist connotations especially when used in the West, and that that image is a perfect illustration of why we think that.

                  We’d also say that the Pooh story has been exaggerated pretty wildly, along with many redditor memes about China. Rumors can get out of control sometimes, especially when people get dismissed for fact-checking and accused of being bots or paid agents, and so on. Winnie the Pooh isn’t banned in China, as some might believe, and it’s pretty easy to verify that by looking at the website for Shanghai Disneyland or searching “Pooh” on any Chinese platform such as baidu.com or weibo.cn.

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                  Winnie the Pooh comparisons he notoriously hates.

                  This is such a reddit urban myth, in reality I’d be surprised if he’s even aware of the comparison.

                  Also “it’s not racist to depict him as yellow, because it’s referencing another instance of us depicting him as yellow” doesn’t make it better.

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              Thank you, those communities aren’t very serious so I didn’t even think of that. Users on the lemmygrad screenshot community do seem to be spending too much energy on something they dislike but that’s up to them. Better they have a place to contain it. As for the other, I’m still not sure I really understand it, but it doesn’t seem like anything worth hating an entire instance over.

              ETA: those are communities hosted here though, that’s nothing to do with our federation policies. I guess their silence speaks volumes here.

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                Non-credible defense is pretty much just NATO- aligned defense/military memes. I could absolutely see some finding it offensive if the Russian/Chinese/Non-NATO military being competent and having good hardware is important to them.

                But yeah, your edit was my point- I didn’t see anyone talking about who we’re federated with. Most of the people that voted no just didn’t want to federate with anyone.

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    Opinion of one of the admins regarding hexbear, just so you guys know where they stand:

    In my view, the hexbear community is actually a positive force on this platform. They are frequently abrasive, but they ultimately have the potential to contribute to what we are building here. They are extremely active and some of them are quite intelligent. But they’ve also become accustomed to a privileged position on their own walled-in platform, and they need to be reminded that their views are considered ver extreme by the average person.

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    Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there’s hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don’t really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.

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    This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren’t going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren’t we given a say in this?

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    1 year ago

    I appear to be out of the loop. What’s wrong with hexbear? I’m not familiar with the instance.