If so, was it polled somewhere?
So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.
TL;DR- Don’t defederate Hexbear because they’re a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they’re annoying, and will burn out your moderators.
Personally I think it’s an extremely toxic community that represents the worst of the internet. They’re extremely set in their ways and provide no meaningful content or discussions on the platform. That’s totally fine for them but they can do whatever they want in their own safe space.
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
This is in development, fingers crossed it could even come in the next version of lemmy.
I commented on here already about our instances interaction with hexbear. It’s a disaster that led to somehow them defedarating from Blahaj for being not safe for their LGBT members even tho Blahaj is like one of the most accepting instance for LGBT people. Many of us were trying to ask our admin to defederate from them because those on our instance felt unsafe. Felt like a “no u” moment they tried to pull before we defederated them for not being safe for our members lol.
Then Blahaj started getting spammed by a new user who was calling a bunch of trans users anti trans. They also said our admins was anti trans even though she was openly trans. Then that user began spamming across lemmy how Blahaj and it’s admin were anti-trans and should not be visited.
Also saw that user get a Blahaj user banned from lemmy.world even though nobody in that discussion was commenting on an lemmy.world community. It has a lot of shit so everything below is just that story.
What happened was another trans Blahaj user commented on a post on some 3rd instance and the OP of that post basically said “I know your reputation from elsewhere and your comment here proves your anti-trans reputation”. The Blahaj user went wtf and then realized the OP was one of those commenting on the original trolls post and was basically saying the Blahaj user was anti trans. The Blahaj user was rightfully pissed and accused the OP of being an alt of that troll since they wrote in the same style as the original troll (I honestly was feeling the same as I read it all). The OP wouldn’t reply and just stuff like " I refuse to reply to you" or “please don’t talk to me” or “I respectfully ask you to not engage with me”. It all felt trollish since that OP was the only who started the argument and now refused to engage after starting.
After the 3rd attempt at an reply , a lemmy.world admin came in saying that if the Blahaj user replied one more time to OP then they would be permanently banned from all of lemmy.world. Keep in mind this wasn’t even on lemmy.world and the whole thing started because OP insulted a trans user by stating they were anti-trans. The Blahaj user was still pissed since she got insulted for saying she has the reputation of somebody who would hate everything she was and replied again. The original troll from way earlier came to the post & replied to her and tagged the lemmy.world admin saying they needed to be banned for being a chaser and replying after being told not to. Then the Blahaj user got banned.
It still feels so fucked that a lemmy.world admin would step into that 3rd instance and threaten the Blahaj user with loss of access to the biggest lemmy instance if she didn’t ignore being called an anti-trans. It really helped show me the short comings of lemmy since every instances admin will probably just take what a user from their instance state as fact and ignore the other person.
Sorry for that long comment. It’s just that I saw how hexbear will twist words in their favor like with claiming Blahaj isn’t safe for their LGBT members and then strangely had new accounts show up calling trans Blahaj users as anti-trans and realized that it was just way too on the nose as where could these users have came from.
Wish they would defederate us again lol
We all laughed in Blahaj when they defederated first lol. It was so childish for them to block us for being unsafe right before we were about to do it lmfao. They tried so hard to change the narrative but it failed.
I feel bad for any instance that has to deal with them in a daily bases. It makes scrolling through lemmy annoying unless you block every fucking community from them.
Maybe we should encourage defederation from our end, that way we’ll be safe from them since if they defederate us they can change their mind whenever they want and go back to spamming us if they are bored.
I believe they did defederate again but yeah we should on our end too
I’m still not seeing them in the blocked section on hexbear.net
But even so it would be a good idea for us to block them as well since leaving them unblocked means they can come back anytime they like.
Report every hexbear comment and let the mods know how you feel. Should send the message.
Could you fucking not? If they annoy you, block them. If they don’t break any rules and you report them anyways, the only thing you’ll achieve is annoying SJW moderators. At that point, you’ll get banned before Hexbear gets defederated.
As a moderator in a different community, please DO report all malicious comments posted wherever they are
Moderators with a brain understands the purpose of the “I wasn’t born yesterday rule”
I wasn’t talking about malicious comments, I was talking about all comments made by users from a specific instance, wether they are malicious or not.
Are you a mod?
I suspect they are coordinating to boost their comments in other communities/instances. Their fringe political views are always highly upvoted, I just find it suspicious. Many places have rules against brigading, so where I suspect it I will report it.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right. But I still think it’s good to communicate to the mods/admins that a lot of users do not like hexbear because they are disruptive in every community they visit.
Literally the kind of toxic behavior you are accusing them of.
Nice try troll
Sure bro. Pointing out that they’re suggesting the exact definition of report abuse is “trolling.”
Reporting != report abuse.
Their reporting is legitimate because the tankies actually are concern trolling, brigading and causing problems.
But we both know you won’t admit that and will argue the point into the ground because you, yourself are concern trolling. Just how the game is played.
Basically every hexbear comment is disruptive and designed to provoke drama. They are not participating in good faith, and I suspect they coordinate to boost their fringe political views.
I think it’s perfectly fine to report them if I suspect that.
They literally said “report every hexbear comment,” but feel free to keep up the self righteous act.
That’s because the entire instance is created to disrupt and nobody sane signs up there to participate in good faith
Go back to your no downvoting safe space
A bit misleading description of CTH on reddit, because they most certainly developed their obnoxious behaviour and jargon already back then, and they did very little to combat racism and fascism there precisely becuase their obnoxious behaviour was counter-productive to such goals (also there were other subreddits far more active and useful in combating fascism and bigotry on reddit such as r/againstallhatesubreddits, which did actual work on deplatforming fascists).
But other than that it is an apt description of their behaviour here and why they pose such a problem for lemmy in general.
Hexbear recently federated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t know if it was polled on your side or what. But on Hexbear’s side there was a thread to discuss it.
Thank you for being one of only two people in this thread that actually answered the question.
You’re welcome.
Fuck the tankies over at Hexbear
I hear there’s one real leftist though, they’re pretty cool
…is it you?
We don’t know who it is…
The hacker known as Hexbear.
it’s hexchan thank you
I know. It’s me.
It’s actually me but nobody ever wants to admit it
No, we’re all liberals here
Straight up upbear farming. Lmao
It’s not my fault it’s so easy
maybe later, honey
This… Now this is epic
Sucks for you guys. They caused nothing but trouble when they were still federated with Blahaj.
After so many of us complained about how they were being dicks and many on the instance weren’t feeling comfortable, hexbear decided to defederate from us first since they somehow said it wasn’t safe for their LGBT members to be on it.
Funny enough a few days later a new account started posting across different lemmy instances for days about how the Blahaj instance was anti trans and that the admin was too. Our Admin is openly trans :/
The whole argument started because the user said everything had to be political and wouldn’t stop insulting others who said they didn’t want to have every post on Blahaj to turn political.
It was just too perfect timing how a few days after hexbear defedarated for somehow saying the pro LGBT instance was anti-LGBT, that we got a brand new account attacking trans members while sayin they were anti-trans.
Enjoy your new people.
It might be time for me to see if the sync scripts for new accounts across instances work.
Their politics are bad enough but they are so. Fucking. Annoying. Then they cry victim as if they’re misunderstood, etc.
Isn’t at leat one of the admins there trans? Basic fact checking, people.
Yeah the Blahaj admin they accused of being anti-trans was trans. They knew this too. The admin has talked to them in the original post that started it all and told the troll they were trans.
The user 100% did it on purpose to insult the Blahaj admin and to then go across all of Lemmy and post how they were anti trans.
I also saw that same user tag a Lemmy.world admin to tell them to ban a trans Blahaj user for being a chaser. Then the Blahaj user got banned even though nobody was commenting on a lemmy.world post. If you wanna read that long story then click this link to my other comment here. The 2nd half of my comment there is that long story.
Trans people are capable of transphobia because not every trans person in the world knows everything in the world about trans issues.
Yeah, I thought of Caitlyn Jenner after
seems like we will be defederated again soon judging by the vote in agora
Hey, you’re talking about me! Yes, I was repeatedly misgendered by a user who claimed to be apolitical. Yes, I warned the admins that this user was going to be transphobic and they did nothing. Yes, I believe that trans people are capable of transphobia, because not every trans person knows every single thing in the universe about being trans.
I don’t mind the general hexbear ideology in itself. Sure. You do you.
But, damn, I see more than a few of its members just being obnoxious.
It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block. I went through a couple subreddits of theirs, found the top posts, blocked everyone with more than 50 upvotes. Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
It’d be lovely if you could just see the hexbear powerusers somewhere convenient and mass block.
If you go to our megathread, most of the people tagged in the first comment are our most active users.
idk if there’s a tool to mass block them, seems like it would be a pain to go through them all but you do you.
Real pain in the ass, but I suddenly have far fewer teenagers who peaked in middle school debate club to deal with.
This statement isn’t even internally consistent, are we teenagers or did we peak in middle school?
You peaked in middle school, you’re now a depressed teenager in high school or therabouts.
Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.
“hexbear is toxic”
Correct!
Do some self-reflection
Civility is when I get to deride anyone who disagrees with me as a child and they are forbidden from saying anything mean in return
As you so excellently demonstrate.
Try a little harder when trying to pose as a well intentioned and reasonable human.
Imagine typing the paragraph that came before this, and then going on to write and post this without detecting the irony
Saying humans a lot makes other humans think the human saying humans is a well intentioned and reasonable human that just wants all other humans to be more reasonable and well intentioned humans. Humans.
I make no such posturing, because I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think of me. I’m not dedicating my life’s work to… making other internet less pleasant for everyone else? Because you can’t possibly be so deluded as to think your actions as a whole are positive?
Anyways, there’s no chance in hell lil smoothbrain me is going to convince any of you enlightened geniuses of our time to pull your heads out of your collective asses. I’m just annoyed you make the meme machine worse.
I’m not dedicating my life’s work to… making other internet less pleasant for everyone else?
You are posting from an instance full of people who have been doing nothing but that since we whitelisted you
Pfft, please cry about it and get your whole cult to fuck off. Would be so much simpler since we can’t block entire instances yet.
Anyways, your echo chamber works better the more enclosed it is. Win win!
You can actually go to Hexbear communities like mentalhealth or mutual_aid and half the posts are shit like “I need help paying rent” and “I hate my job”
You’re so married to the reactionary idea of “Communists are all just ignorant teenagers” that you can’t see the evidence against it when it’s right in front of you
No, you’re just the worst kind of communist/socialist: the insufferable type nobody else wants to fucking deal with. Stop giving socialism a bad name.
well intentioned and reasonable human
Stop LARPing as a Silicon Valley logic machine. It’s creepy and cringe.
B R I G A D I N G
Having other troglodytes upvote you doesn’t make you right monkeys, it makes you look transparent.
You call us toxic and then still call things “subreddits.”
What a factual yet utterly meaningless statement.
It’s a joke about how reddit sucks and we’re mostly here to get away from it, sorry I’m not good at jokes but I like to try :)
I won’t call debunking imperialist propaganda from the west, and dunking on racist and ableist users, “obnoxious”.
Anyways,
spoiler
Mate. That’s not the obnoxious part. Posts like this are the obnoxious part.
dude’s trolling. There’s no way tankies use that image, that is one of the most cringe things i’ve ever seen in my life
Have you browsed Hexbear? This ain’t trolling. It’s very much genuine.
If it is trolling, then it’s just an entire instance posting an inside joke and then pointing and laughing at the people not in-the-know who don’t “get it.”
It’s not clever.
Not liking ablism and racism is an in-joke?
This is why ya’ll can get fucked, I’m tired of seeing this garbage in my feed.
Yeah, mate. That’s the in-joke I’m referring to. [sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
A reasonable person can infer that’s not where my issues stem from.
All this tells me is that Hexbear folks get their jollies from trying to provoke people with weird stretches.
“You don’t like some of our users?? Wow, you’re pro-rascism and ablelist!”
It’s not cute.
You present needing tone indicators as a negative. Why is that?
[sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
Yeah! Fuck people who need tone indicators, we shouldn’t be inclusive to those people
[sarcasm tone indicator, cuz some of y’all need it]
You know what it’s not cute? Discrimination. In this case, your ableism.
We call out the ableism and racism of some users of this instance. That’s the real reason of your “obnoxious” feeling, regarding the Hexbear users. Our zero tolerance to hate.
Scrath a liberal, and a fascist/racist bleeds.
Lol what an absolute clusterfuck.
“America bad looool I just debunked imperialist propoganda”
Is just about the highest IQ take I’ve seen out of hexbear. Ya’ll got that cult-like disconnection from reality.
Also when there was a user in unixporn yesterday asking what words will replace “ricing” now that it’s entered social consciousness that the term has a racially based origin, a hexbear jumped in to say it’s now going to be called “crackering”.
Wow, dunked on that racism so hard.
It was so racist of that user to better themselves and replace a racial work with a non-racial word. Good thing we have hexbear to help out.
Having had a disagreement with you in another thread and seen you mischaracterize it as “supporting the rape of innocent women and children” to someone else, I’m fairly confident that if anyone has a cult-like disconnection from reality, it’s likely you.
If someone tells me it’s bad to be anti-racism, or that systemic racism isn’t real, I’m of course going to say they support racism.
Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity. Yeah, you’re not going around raping anyone yourself, you simply supporting the system in which it occurs.
And I don’t think supporting the system of rape is intentional on your part either. I think you’re anti-America (which is good) to the point that you’ll be apologetic towards rape (which is bad), as long as it means you keep being anti-America.
Your position was that it’s bad to help Ukrainians defend their families from being raped because it damages worker solidarity
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective, which was that advocating for greater conflict as retribution for rape is misguided, and I think it’s a reasonable perspective and not, as you and others were suggesting, evidence of faux leftism.
But good-faith representations of perspectives you disagree with doesn’t seem to be one of your strengths.
No, actually I was articulating someone else’s perspective
Someone else as in a real person?
Or a hypothetical person you made up in your head?
Does knowing who’s perspective it is really change your opinion of it? Or are you asking so you know who you can accuse of being a Russian apologist?
If it stands up to your scrutiny then I wouldn’t think it matters.
All your problems are the fault of white western libs.
We are so dunked on.
🤡
I voted against it fwiw
Me too but this is the reality we must endure now.
There are a finite number of bloodthirsty liberals for me to block, it can be done in time
Note to anyone reading this: I don’t mean you if you engage in good faith and with genuine intellectual curiosity, you’re fine, this isn’t me saying “I block people who disagree with me”, because It would just be me in a corner with my ice pick in that case
we all know the types I’m talkin about
They’re irredeemable and I am quite upset about the entire thing but whatever. A lot of us voted in favor of federating with them but I’m too old to put up with reddit crap on my favorite online platform. Actually this is the only place I’m online and federating with a kkklanadian instance really kills my vibe
A hexbear user complaining about people engaging in bad faith is just… y’all are on a different planet.
literally 95% of my interactions with other instances’ liberals have been them saying something absurdly reactionary and not expecting to receive any pushback for having dogshit takes, and then going
“Ohoho, the Hexbear tankie redfash have arrived to defend the CCP and Putler’s regime! Why am I not surprised!” without offering even the slightest counterargument because they know they have nonewe have cultivated a community of genuine good-faith discussion on Hexbear over the last three years and we aren’t about to lose it
I’d rather be on a different planet away from the hostile low effort crap like the one you just posted.
Y’all are exhausting, I don’t have the time or energy to engage with paragraphs over niche Internet drama because your lot doesn’t know how to play nice. Feels exactly like when we were federated with exploding-heads. Touch some grass.
Consider just saying nothing to begin with, then
this shit is so frustrating god damn lmao
Do you have a link* to the thread?
does a mini mean a link?
https://hexbear.net/post/458637?scrollToComments=false
should also tell you a lot why there are hexbears who are immediately assuming bad faith, y’all are federated with some dogshit people, its why I voted against it
y’all are federated with some dogshit people
Such as?
Can someone else tag in on this answer? I’m too lazy to the good contextpost I saw the other day a and I don’t have the energy to articulate it myself rnwait I just realized, literally click the link and read about what our problems were in the thread where the whole instance gave their opinions on the problems
Also this is the second comment
which of these options will allow me to go back to posting about how much I hate my fellow crackers?
Death to America
It was a good one! Death to America
Find the lie
Seems like most of them either don’t like that we have an anti-lemmygrad community (which, honestly, TIL), or they don’t like that we have a noncredibledefense community.
Basically we have a couple anti-communist communities.
That’s the only reasons I saw in that thread that were actually related to our instance.
My reservation was specifically that the MeanwhileOnGrad comm has a charicature of Xi Jinping where his skin is colorized to be yellow. I think that turning an Asian person’s skin yellow as a charicature is racist, and I felt that allowing that on a comm reflected poorly on the instance. I don’t mind that people hold different views from us (as many on lemm.ee and lemmy.ml do), but we don’t tolerate racism or bigotry. Despite that, I did vote to federate, in part because it’s such a small comm.
While not a subscriber to that community, I’m 99% certain that’s merely to enhance the Winnie the Pooh comparisons he notoriously hates.
Yes, upon reflection, them depicting an Asian person as yellow isn’t great, but I think the majority will see it just as Pooh.
While the comparison to Pooh originates from a meme in China, many of us would argue that the comparison in general has racist connotations especially when used in the West, and that that image is a perfect illustration of why we think that.
We’d also say that the Pooh story has been exaggerated pretty wildly, along with many redditor memes about China. Rumors can get out of control sometimes, especially when people get dismissed for fact-checking and accused of being bots or paid agents, and so on. Winnie the Pooh isn’t banned in China, as some might believe, and it’s pretty easy to verify that by looking at the website for Shanghai Disneyland or searching “Pooh” on any Chinese platform such as baidu.com or weibo.cn.
Winnie the Pooh comparisons he notoriously hates.
This is such a reddit urban myth, in reality I’d be surprised if he’s even aware of the comparison.
Also “it’s not racist to depict him as yellow, because it’s referencing another instance of us depicting him as yellow” doesn’t make it better.
Thank you, those communities aren’t very serious so I didn’t even think of that. Users on the lemmygrad screenshot community do seem to be spending too much energy on something they dislike but that’s up to them. Better they have a place to contain it. As for the other, I’m still not sure I really understand it, but it doesn’t seem like anything worth hating an entire instance over.
ETA: those are communities hosted here though, that’s nothing to do with our federation policies. I guess their silence speaks volumes here.
Non-credible defense is pretty much just NATO- aligned defense/military memes. I could absolutely see some finding it offensive if the Russian/Chinese/Non-NATO military being competent and having good hardware is important to them.
But yeah, your edit was my point- I didn’t see anyone talking about who we’re federated with. Most of the people that voted no just didn’t want to federate with anyone.
They added us to their whitelist.
Yes and its very very annoying.
Opinion of one of the admins regarding hexbear, just so you guys know where they stand:
In my view, the hexbear community is actually a positive force on this platform. They are frequently abrasive, but they ultimately have the potential to contribute to what we are building here. They are extremely active and some of them are quite intelligent. But they’ve also become accustomed to a privileged position on their own walled-in platform, and they need to be reminded that their views are considered ver extreme by the average person.
and some of them are quite intelligent.
some of them
I mean, I guess 1/1,000 can still be called some?
Which admin specifically please?
Yeah, qtpie seems to have a very open federation stance, but they’ll follow the community’s will and aren’t responsible for hosting the server anyway.
Good, fuck him
Why is the only surprise here that this user was given an admin role?
Weird, simply saying that trans people that are finished transitioning aren’t trans… because they’re done transitioning… as in they’re now just a man or woman… got me called a bigot…
Like straight up, told that I’m a bigot and should not even think of speaking about trans people.
Some people over there also claimed that diseases didn’t kill native Americans. They claimed it’s “revisionist history” and they refered to the settlers as “shock troops”.
I’m just glad these people probably don’t go outside very much.
Hexbear is inevitable
Thankfully. Y’all can seeth, I’m here for it.
Lol I blocked the most annoying posters from hexbear on this thread and now there’s hardly any comments. I think we should put them in time out. Like defederate for 15 days. if they keep brigading, another 15 days. I don’t really want to defederate, but I hate this kind of brigading.
Brigading is when people comment on threads which are visible to them, and the more they comment the more brigading-er it is.
Especially when the thread is specifically about them.
“Brigading is when people post in threads on the front page”
Real Redditor brain over here
Can you define brigading?
Rhetorical question of course because I know you can’t.
Using a congregation of users to influence a discussion unrelated to said congregation as a collective as opposed to individual users.
It’s like going to A random Youtube video and making it about the Rape of Nanking
This thread is literally discussing hexbear, and it also shows up in our all thread. By your own definition we are not brigading
Top logic is at work today
I mean that’s fair, but what you’re doing is like going into a public library and throwing a rave party. You’re allowed in there, but the people are there for a different reason than you
I am responding to you in a normal fashion. How is this akin to throwing a rave party?
Nah. People keep inviting them and then accusing them of brigading. They’re like a large group of rave enthusiasts from out of town that were sent invitations to all attend a rave and took public transportation to get there. Then, the people standing outside with “Repent” and “God Hates F****ts!” signs keep shouting that they’re here to corrupt the youth and they don’t belong here.
took public transportation to get there
We have /c/urbanism so this is doubly true lol
Dude, I had your people calling me a bigot because I said you’re no longer trans if you finish transitioning. Oh sorry, I forgot that I also said that trans people in sports is a complicated issue.
I don’t even really give a shit if they are, or aren’t, allowed to play sports. It has nothing to do with me. Words cannot express how little I think about this problem.
Your people act like that makes me a fascist and a bigot, make sure that EVERY ratio is in the hexbear users favor and then you wonder why you’re being accused of brigading?
Jesus christ what a shitshow. Ya’ll need to get outside and breathe something that isn’t cave air.
I’m not on Hexbear but have had little but positive interactions with them, which has been refreshing as both an anarchist and one who thinks that anti-electoralism is most likely pushed by bad actors to limit leftist engagement.
Dude, I had your people calling me a bigot because I said you’re no longer trans if you finish transitioning. Oh sorry, I forgot that I also said that trans people in sports is a complicated issue.
Maybe there was some misunderstanding but I’d say that you should definitely be aware that “finishing transitioning” is itself a complicated issue. It’s about a one-and-done thing and, in absence of artificial organs that don’t currently exist, they still need lifelong medical support and are thus vulnerable to harms from bigots with political power.
I don’t even really give a shit if they are, or aren’t, allowed to play sports. It has nothing to do with me. Words cannot express how little I think about this problem.
Simplest solution is to ban gendered sports and establish tiered leagues based upon player performance. This would make all games much better shows of arhleticism and has the added bonus to society of fucking both the NY Yankees and the Pats by removing the ability to outspend other teams.
I mean that’s fair, but what you’re doing is like going into a public library and throwing a rave party.
Have you read any of the threads on here? Y’all are absolutely vitriolic against Hexbear users. That is not a ‘public library’ lmfao
It is more like a meeting of conservative people who try to ban queer events from an event location and have queer people come in and not let homophobe and transphobe rhetoric go on unopposed.
Raids are a fact of Internet life. “Brigading” is just some bullshit made up on Reddit. There’s not a single website outside of Reddit that cares about “brigading.” Not old-school forums, not 4chan, not Twitch channels, not Twitter.
Nooooooo you can’t just come to an open internet forum and talk to me!
Its so fucking annoying how much they whine about brigading
Because you dumbfucks prevent any legitimate conversation from happening.
Keep it up guys, soon no one will want to interact with you. Fuck yeah, trans rights! Trans awareness! Really pushing the envelope here monkeys.
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You call it dunking. You know perfectly well what it means, and you being here behaving like you do amply demonstrates it even for people who have deliberate reading issues.
Its on the front page?
How do you think the fediverse works?
I’m going to follow your suit and fill up my block list. I can’t take this anymore
No. They won’t get better.
Defederate now permanently.
Defederate forever, if people want that toxic people around they can go to hexbear or lemmygrad.
You literally popped up in our thread and posted… and I quote . .
Fuck you.
And we are the toxic ones ?
You all should come on down to sopuli.xyz; it’s a smaller server but the admin is intelligent enough to actually ban the extremists, so we don’t deal with these problems.
I’ll be switching and abandoning this account if imaqtpie doesn’t change their mind within a few days.
This is such bullshit. Just saw the announcement that we aren’t going to defederate from hexbear. Why weren’t we given a say in this?
There is no escape
We just got another new custom emote that’s even better lol
The announcement didn’t say that we weren’t going to defederate. It said in the immediate future. If this proves to be untenable, we will have a vote.
What would make it untenable? Like where’s the line?
Yeah I think we should put this up to a vote. Seems the majority of the instance disagrees that hexbear is a “valuable asset”
There’s an active discussion thread at the !agora@sh.itjust.works
This is the process.
Make the vote, im Shure most don’t want their BS here.
Don’t you think their behaviour in this very thread is very clear evidence that your beliefs that they are a “positive for this society” is completely unfounded?
I think some of them are okay and some of them suck. Much like our own users.
There is clear evidence of that fact throughout this thread.
but if the majority of users are saying they don’t want hexbear to be federated with this instance, you’d respect the users. right? 😥
Of course. I simply figured that in order to decide whether or not we want to be federated, we would first have to experience what federation was like. That appears to be a very controversial assumption, but I stand by it.
I’ve experienced it now, and I really, really don’t like it.
I don’t like it either.
LMFAO another admin team from another instance selling themselves out to tankies and shills. Color me surprised
Yes, the tankies paid me to do this, you have cracked the code.
Pretty disappointing that @iamaqtpie is active on hexbear and says things like:
Please direct any seething that you may wish to do to the struggle session that’s well underway over here.
which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
which reddit considered hate speech 🙄
here’s the whole quote, emphasis mine:
Hexbear is a Lemmy server that was created about 3 years ago as a new home for the former users of r/chapotraphouse. CTH was banned from reddit because
they were openly calling for the deaths of slave owners, which reddit considered hate speech🙄Why would you take this out of context, and what is your issue with the whole quote?
Also disappointing that hexbear gets to vote federation, while we are left to federate to hexbear without a choice because the admins like the instance. Lame.
We are just better at democracy then you, sweety.
China isn’t democratic
When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People’s Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.
But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.
https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
Ya I will take the people of china’s word on this one.
yes and North Korea is democratic because it says they are.
More democratic than the US. The US has an electoral college system explicitly designed to make electing a president undemocratic. In Korea they vote for each equivalent of a cabinet position instead of letting the president just appoint all of them. https://www.ncnk.org/sites/default/files/DPRK constitution (2019).pdf
If this shocks you, remember that Americans are the most propagandized people in the history of the world
Way to compare one of the least free countries with… one of the least free countries.
now do Japan.
China is not North Korea.
It took less then 2 minutes from my post for you to reply. You clearly didn’t even open the link. You just instantly changed the subject matter. Lol
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn’t really wow me.
China is authoritarian, filled with mass propaganda and nationalism, of course they’re going to think they’re great.
Ah, hexbear users still struggling with federation, so cute!
Post times are different per instance, my he/him, I looked through your article, and it didn’t really wow me.
I literally got a notification when they replied. in real time…
I know when I made my comment… less then 2 minutes before I got a notification…Tell me more about how the lemmy works. I have only been here 4 years.
Good bye, agent.
filled with mass propaganda and nationalism
Yo we got that too in America.
The citation wasn’t the state, it was the people, or are you going to take such an immensely condescending attitude towards the approximately 1 billion people represented in that survey as believing they live in a democracy?
Whataboutism
That’s a bit of a non-sequitur in this instance don’t you think? We’re not talking about what the name of a place is, but rather how the two countries’ citizenry feel about their respective governments.
The average chinese citizen doesnt recognize feminism or talk about Tiananmen. The average chinese citizen relies on their Baidu feed to tell them everything about the world because the internet is heavily censored. The average chinese dreams of coming to europe to escape china. The average chinese person doesnt evem have access to clean running water. The average chinese doesnt even recognize cantonese as a language because CCP involvement. I dont think anyone should care about what an average chinese citizen thinks.
I pulled all of this out of my ass. Ive lived in china briefly, i wouldnt call it a democracy in any sense. Its a democratic socialist dream(heavy on the socialist).
LMAO I got banned for this post
No reason given. Just “mod Banned”
You’re welcome to join hexbear, where this federation decision was voted on and we tried to make a space for people who are tired of the fediverse too.
It’s clear that sh.itjust.works does not care to get community support in it’s decision making and we are left at the whims of the admins preferences. Isn’t this why most of us left Reddit? Because community say didn’t mean anything?
Make your own instance then, or move to another. That’s the lemmy solution.
Lemmy isn’t about having each instance be its own democracy, lemmy is about having lots and lots and lots of instances forming one massive network. These will always be privately owned by the people hosting them, so it’s ultimately up to them how they run their shop. However, the barrier to entry is relatively low, so you can quite easily host your own and be on exactly the same footing.
If you want to talk about community, then that’s literally what lemmy has instead of subreddits. That’s where the users make the rules. Granted, there aren’t sufficient mod tools to properly deal with anything - maybe when they introduce user-level instance blocking (coming soon ^TM ) they’ll also give us community-level instance blocking.
bad take, we are voting right now in agora about this. Are you ignorant of it or just shit stirring?
I appear to be out of the loop. What’s wrong with hexbear? I’m not familiar with the instance.
