One thing is Antisemite, the other is pro himan rights.
Edit: since my comment sended mixed messages… I am totally against the Person who did it… Just because they ordered kosher meal, does not mean, that the Person is pro israeal / against palestina.
And yeah i think Too we need To free palestina from hamas and genocidal people.
But the thing with the food was a dick move.
Edit2: fixed typos from my dann Smartphone, since i didnt set up the english words on my keyboard
I know lots of Jewish people and most of them say they’re anti-genocide and then say that this isn’t a genocide. And if it is a genocide, then the Palestinians deserve it. I don’t know if this belief is so pervasive because they’re Jewish or because I’m from Texas with family in Israel.
All’s I know is that most of the Jews I know would have been totally cool with Hitler as long as he wasn’t killing too many Jews. I’m so fucking disappointed and disgusted by my family and community.
Yeah this is such a simple thing to argue against. The only jewish person that would be offended by a piece of paper with “free palestine” written on it is one that supports the Israeli genocide.
What if they do actually see you as a Nazi though? Because I would wager that whoever wrote that message was expecting that the message would be read by a Zionist.
Don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re saying about not taking a sentiment personally if you know that you’re not the intended audience. For example, I have many trans friends, who sometimes make jokes where cis people are part of the punchline. Although I’m cis, I don’t take it personally because I know that being witness to the joke at all means that I am not the kind of person who is being joked about — indeed, it makes me feel privileged to be trusted enough to be within the “safe” bubble for my trans friends.
However, in this case, if I think about how I would feel if I were an anti-zionist Jew who received this meal, I’d feel pretty shitty because it would remind me of how gross it feels that Israel equating Judaism and the Israeli state makes Jewish people everywhere less safe; a fucked up side effects of Israel’s atrocities is that even loudly anti-zionist Jewish people are at risk of increased antisemitism (genuine antisemitism, not just attacking the state of Israel and/or Zionist stances). It would feel shitty because no matter how loudly you scream “they do not speak for us” (an act that will get you condemned as being anti-Semitic, even if you’re Jewish), Israel is not facing the kind of opposition that’s necessary.
Part of how we resist Israel is by not letting them define themselves as synonymous with Judaism. I respect the intention of the person who wrote the message on the meal, but I believe the act itself to be misguided due to ultimately reinforcing Israel’s preferred world view. It’s important to remember that genuine antisemitism (i.e. stuff aimed at Jewish people rather than at Israel) is useful to Israel, because it helps them to manufacture consent for the ongoing genocide, and generally fuels the Zionist project
Do we know if they only put those stickers on specific peoples meals? Did they check if the people that got them were actually jewish? How would they know?
One of Israel’s goals is to equate Judaism with the state of Israel. Whilst I respect the intention of whoever wrote that note, they also are unwittingly playing into Israel’s agenda.
There are many anti-zionist Jews, many of whom are some of the loudest voices pushing back against Israel. Let’s be mindful of who our enemy actually is, because it is not the Jewish people
Beging anti Israel is not the same as antijew…
One thing is Antisemite, the other is pro himan rights.
Edit: since my comment sended mixed messages… I am totally against the Person who did it… Just because they ordered kosher meal, does not mean, that the Person is pro israeal / against palestina. And yeah i think Too we need To free palestina from hamas and genocidal people.
But the thing with the food was a dick move.
Edit2: fixed typos from my dann Smartphone, since i didnt set up the english words on my keyboard
Hi, Jew here. Allow me to demonstrate your stance.
Fuck Israel’s genocidal campaign and everyone who supports it.
FIN
I may not know that many Jewish people but all of my hebros and hebroettes oppose genocide.
I know lots of Jewish people and most of them say they’re anti-genocide and then say that this isn’t a genocide. And if it is a genocide, then the Palestinians deserve it. I don’t know if this belief is so pervasive because they’re Jewish or because I’m from Texas with family in Israel.
All’s I know is that most of the Jews I know would have been totally cool with Hitler as long as he wasn’t killing too many Jews. I’m so fucking disappointed and disgusted by my family and community.
You must know a lot of creepy Jews… wait until you meet the creepy Christians and Muslims
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More people need To think that way!
My man.
Fartographer for prez!!!
You will regret that, but okay!
It’s like cartographer, but with more gas!
Yeah this is such a simple thing to argue against. The only jewish person that would be offended by a piece of paper with “free palestine” written on it is one that supports the Israeli genocide.
Maybe it would be offensive if you are Jewish and you support Palestine? You might see it as an accusation against you? I dunno.
Not the best comparison, but if somebody sticks a “FCK NZS” sticker on my door at work, im not gonna think that they see me as a nazi.
What if they do actually see you as a Nazi though? Because I would wager that whoever wrote that message was expecting that the message would be read by a Zionist.
Don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re saying about not taking a sentiment personally if you know that you’re not the intended audience. For example, I have many trans friends, who sometimes make jokes where cis people are part of the punchline. Although I’m cis, I don’t take it personally because I know that being witness to the joke at all means that I am not the kind of person who is being joked about — indeed, it makes me feel privileged to be trusted enough to be within the “safe” bubble for my trans friends.
However, in this case, if I think about how I would feel if I were an anti-zionist Jew who received this meal, I’d feel pretty shitty because it would remind me of how gross it feels that Israel equating Judaism and the Israeli state makes Jewish people everywhere less safe; a fucked up side effects of Israel’s atrocities is that even loudly anti-zionist Jewish people are at risk of increased antisemitism (genuine antisemitism, not just attacking the state of Israel and/or Zionist stances). It would feel shitty because no matter how loudly you scream “they do not speak for us” (an act that will get you condemned as being anti-Semitic, even if you’re Jewish), Israel is not facing the kind of opposition that’s necessary.
Part of how we resist Israel is by not letting them define themselves as synonymous with Judaism. I respect the intention of the person who wrote the message on the meal, but I believe the act itself to be misguided due to ultimately reinforcing Israel’s preferred world view. It’s important to remember that genuine antisemitism (i.e. stuff aimed at Jewish people rather than at Israel) is useful to Israel, because it helps them to manufacture consent for the ongoing genocide, and generally fuels the Zionist project
But maybe if you were the only German in the office you might be offended by the implication?
Do we know if they only put those stickers on specific peoples meals? Did they check if the people that got them were actually jewish? How would they know?
Because they were kosher meals?
Yeah so? How do you know that they only put them on the kosher ones? This whole complaint runs off of a whole lot of assumptions.
Because it’s in the screenshot, open kosher online catering?
Any reasonable person would see that as an accusation.
What did the New Zealanders do to deserve this??
They’re hiding themselves from the cartographers for a reason, no doubt crimes
I’d say hell yeah fuck Nazis and use some spray fixative on it
Even in your example case, there is an ongoing genocide, being committed by the Israeli government, if this offends you… you’re probably an asshole
Guys, it is apparently a ‘severe antisemitic act’.
I mean, what can be more antisemitic than that treacherous food labelling as a country?
One of Israel’s goals is to equate Judaism with the state of Israel. Whilst I respect the intention of whoever wrote that note, they also are unwittingly playing into Israel’s agenda.
There are many anti-zionist Jews, many of whom are some of the loudest voices pushing back against Israel. Let’s be mindful of who our enemy actually is, because it is not the Jewish people
You made an excellent point, although it is missing a critical fact. Not that passengers are jewish, but that they are (probably) from Israel.
Forget about the media always highligting semitism. Criticism is directed to citizens who pay taxes fueling genocide. Nothing to do with semitism.
Which article had you seen that indicated the passengers on the Buenos Aires to Madrid flight who’d asked for kosher meals were probably from Israel?
In The Times of Israel. Flight final destination Israel.
Are the terms “vomment” and “kosher Neal” typos? Because I like to think that they aren’t.
Typos because my dann phone tried type words in my Language…
They are words now, especially vomment. I can’t wait to use it.
Agreed, that’s an excellent new word. Cromulent even.
I am really glad that i still could be velpful…
But srsly… Vomment isn’t even a word in my language… Wtf keyboard? Wtf?
That is tho what Israel is claiming, partly through divine provenance funnily enough