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Boo hoo, somebody has a wake up call. Because this isnt antisemitic this is targeted. It is a simple fact that the vast majority of Jewish people support the Occupation, a smaller (but still majority) percentage of people either implicitly or explicitly supports the genocide.
I know this because im acturally Jewish, ive acturally seen the occupation with my own eyes, ive spoken to more Zionists than I could possibly count, and I know that there are few fellow Jews like me.
It is a simple fact that the vast majority of Jewish people support the Occupation
Even if this were true, it would still be wrong to target a random Jewish person for your message about Israel. Members of a class should not be treated differently because of that class, even if the concerns of the wider class are valid. That is literally prejudice. Pre-judicial thinking, you are judging them early.
Well, if they wouldn’t be zios, they’d hardly be offended though.
I thought this WASNT about anti semitism
Tony is glorifying the label “antisemite.” Nobody is winning here.
You know who else is “glorifying” antisemite? Israel.
Deflection. You can’t use their wrongs to justify yours.
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Nope. Fuck Netanyahu. Antisemitism is still wrong.
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This is indeed yet another holocaust! Messages promoting human rights, especially the right to survival, may have once been “dirty jew” arguments, during German Nazi regime. Thank goodness that challenges to ethnic supremacy can be freely compared to a holocaust, today. Much progress.
Aren’t the Palestinians Semites?
And the award for best comment goes to you. Why didn’t we all think of that?
I’m being serious. Good argument.
While yes, the specific term “anti-Semitism” was popularized by the German journalist Wilhelm Marr as an alternative to the (at the time) more common phrase Judenhaß (e.g. Jew-hatred).
Basically, he wanted a more scientific-sounding term that made it sound less like plain hatred of other people but made it seem like the supposed deficiencies of Jewish people was a byproduct of their race rather than belonging to Jewish individuals.
His use of semitism/semitic as only referring to Jewish people rather than the broader group of peoples the terms had, originally, been coined for was also in line with other Germans of both his era and the previous century (and certainly into the next century as the Nazis used these reasonings to back their more developed “race” science and world-view).
That targeting has often been retained by the word even as it’s outgrown its original prejudiced purpose.
If true, this is ironic in that the Israeli government is the most similar to the Nazi government in our collective world history as far as genocide atrocities committed.
The word “semite” has two definitions, one mediveal and one modern.
Palestinians are Semites according to both of them.Are eastern European origin Ashkenazis, semites, under any definition?
Only if you go by the International Holocaust Rememberance Alliance definition that people are starting to drop… By their definition if you criticise Jews or Israel you’re antisemetic. They even call their new definition something like a work in progress
In practice, “antisemitic” means “anti-Jewish”.
Only by the Jewish IHRA definition
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Beging anti Israel is not the same as antijew…
One thing is Antisemite, the other is pro himan rights.
Edit: since my comment sended mixed messages… I am totally against the Person who did it… Just because they ordered kosher meal, does not mean, that the Person is pro israeal / against palestina. And yeah i think Too we need To free palestina from hamas and genocidal people.
But the thing with the food was a dick move.
Edit2: fixed typos from my dann Smartphone, since i didnt set up the english words on my keyboard
Hi, Jew here. Allow me to demonstrate your stance.
Fuck Israel’s genocidal campaign and everyone who supports it.
FIN
I may not know that many Jewish people but all of my hebros and hebroettes oppose genocide.
I know lots of Jewish people and most of them say they’re anti-genocide and then say that this isn’t a genocide. And if it is a genocide, then the Palestinians deserve it. I don’t know if this belief is so pervasive because they’re Jewish or because I’m from Texas with family in Israel.
All’s I know is that most of the Jews I know would have been totally cool with Hitler as long as he wasn’t killing too many Jews. I’m so fucking disappointed and disgusted by my family and community.
You must know a lot of creepy Jews… wait until you meet the creepy Christians and Muslims
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More people need To think that way!
My man.
Fartographer for prez!!!
You will regret that, but okay!
It’s like cartographer, but with more gas!
Yeah this is such a simple thing to argue against. The only jewish person that would be offended by a piece of paper with “free palestine” written on it is one that supports the Israeli genocide.
Maybe it would be offensive if you are Jewish and you support Palestine? You might see it as an accusation against you? I dunno.
Not the best comparison, but if somebody sticks a “FCK NZS” sticker on my door at work, im not gonna think that they see me as a nazi.
What if they do actually see you as a Nazi though? Because I would wager that whoever wrote that message was expecting that the message would be read by a Zionist.
Don’t get me wrong, I get what you’re saying about not taking a sentiment personally if you know that you’re not the intended audience. For example, I have many trans friends, who sometimes make jokes where cis people are part of the punchline. Although I’m cis, I don’t take it personally because I know that being witness to the joke at all means that I am not the kind of person who is being joked about — indeed, it makes me feel privileged to be trusted enough to be within the “safe” bubble for my trans friends.
However, in this case, if I think about how I would feel if I were an anti-zionist Jew who received this meal, I’d feel pretty shitty because it would remind me of how gross it feels that Israel equating Judaism and the Israeli state makes Jewish people everywhere less safe; a fucked up side effects of Israel’s atrocities is that even loudly anti-zionist Jewish people are at risk of increased antisemitism (genuine antisemitism, not just attacking the state of Israel and/or Zionist stances). It would feel shitty because no matter how loudly you scream “they do not speak for us” (an act that will get you condemned as being anti-Semitic, even if you’re Jewish), Israel is not facing the kind of opposition that’s necessary.
Part of how we resist Israel is by not letting them define themselves as synonymous with Judaism. I respect the intention of the person who wrote the message on the meal, but I believe the act itself to be misguided due to ultimately reinforcing Israel’s preferred world view. It’s important to remember that genuine antisemitism (i.e. stuff aimed at Jewish people rather than at Israel) is useful to Israel, because it helps them to manufacture consent for the ongoing genocide, and generally fuels the Zionist project
But maybe if you were the only German in the office you might be offended by the implication?
Do we know if they only put those stickers on specific peoples meals? Did they check if the people that got them were actually jewish? How would they know?
Because they were kosher meals?
Yeah so? How do you know that they only put them on the kosher ones? This whole complaint runs off of a whole lot of assumptions.
Any reasonable person would see that as an accusation.
FCK NZS
What did the New Zealanders do to deserve this??
They’re hiding themselves from the cartographers for a reason, no doubt crimes
I’d say hell yeah fuck Nazis and use some spray fixative on it
Even in your example case, there is an ongoing genocide, being committed by the Israeli government, if this offends you… you’re probably an asshole
Guys, it is apparently a ‘severe antisemitic act’.
I mean, what can be more antisemitic than that treacherous food labelling as a country?
One of Israel’s goals is to equate Judaism with the state of Israel. Whilst I respect the intention of whoever wrote that note, they also are unwittingly playing into Israel’s agenda.
There are many anti-zionist Jews, many of whom are some of the loudest voices pushing back against Israel. Let’s be mindful of who our enemy actually is, because it is not the Jewish people
You made an excellent point, although it is missing a critical fact. Not that passengers are jewish, but that they are (probably) from Israel.
Forget about the media always highligting semitism. Criticism is directed to citizens who pay taxes fueling genocide. Nothing to do with semitism.
Not that passengers are jewish, but that they are (probably) from Israel.
Which article had you seen that indicated the passengers on the Buenos Aires to Madrid flight who’d asked for kosher meals were probably from Israel?
In The Times of Israel. Flight final destination Israel.
Are the terms “vomment” and “kosher Neal” typos? Because I like to think that they aren’t.
Typos because my dann phone tried type words in my Language…
They are words now, especially vomment. I can’t wait to use it.
Agreed, that’s an excellent new word. Cromulent even.
I am really glad that i still could be velpful…
But srsly… Vomment isn’t even a word in my language… Wtf keyboard? Wtf?
That is tho what Israel is claiming, partly through divine provenance funnily enough
For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told “free palestine” let alone made to question the safety of their food.
The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that’s ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems
What if this was directed at someone wearing an Israeli flag. Does that mean it was not targeting a Jewish person and instead voicing political opposition to a political entity?
If the person was wearing the flag, and it was a one off, then I’d say, personally that it would be fine, but it seems this was just written on the kosher meals
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn’t also on other non-kosher meals. I think it’s a reasonable assumption though.
Yeah, if that’s the case then it’s a big issue with me.
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No? What a silly thing to say
Hold on a second. That articles from August 6th. The post is from August 20th. Something is clearly not right here.
People post links to things weeks after the fact on Twitter all the time; that’s pretty benign.
muslims would likely prefer kosher meals as well, unless there’s a specifically halal option.
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If you are eating any type of meal and you receive a note saying free Palestine and you are offended? 🖕
The offense is not at the message, it’s that they were targeted to have it delivered.
This is a genocide being committed right now and you want me to debate you about a message a group of people who eat traditionally Jewish food and may be Israeli, and giving these folks a message saying free Palestine is somehow offensive because they were targeted as potential Israeli citizens who can vote the terrorist Netanyahu out of office?
What are you talking about?
Idk sounds pretty racist to give a guy ordering kungpao chicken a “Free Uyghurs” note.
I guess I disagree.
I wouldn’t give people notes like this I don’t think. But I don’t think it is racist. Supporting Israel is more racist than this.
Supporting Israel is more racist than this.
Okay.
Guess I should start vocally denouncing the CCP and their Uyghur genocide before I get myself a Malatang.
Or just stop trying to find excuses to support the terrorist genocidal Israelis. It’s not hard.
and you want me to debate you about a message a group of people who eat traditionally Jewish food and may be Israeli
buddy you’re doing that anyway. Conflating Israelis with Jews is wrong, yes. Targeting Jews to try and send a message to Israeli is wrong, yes. I know you feel like anything you like is justified since you believe in The Right Thing, but doing bad things for a good reason is still bad.
and giving these folks a message saying free Palestine is somehow because they were targeted as potential Israeli citizens who can vote the terrorist Netanyahu out of office?
oh wow you’re incoherent with indignation, what a surprise. Why are you wasting time? There’s a genocide RIGHT NOW
I guess I don’t care if they are offended?
Or if you are offended?
Because there is a genocide happening, being committed by the Israeli government.
You’re so brave
Why do you think that the flight crew knew that the passenger was Jewish?
because you have to ask for a kosher meal specifically.
Are only jewish people allowed to ask for kosher meals?
That feels like the type of nuance that a person who would assume that Jewish-person = support-for-Israel’s-genocide would not have the forethought of.
Way more than Jewish people order the kosher meal on a plane. You’re making a bit of a leap assuming they’re not Israeli. Not to mention assuming the story is real for which there’s no evidence.
well the question is: Did they put notes on non-kosher meals?
https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ Appears real, was on other kosher meals, and was not Israeli.
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Are all Jewish people committing genocide?
Well they sure as hell are doing a lot more “Support for Israel” protests around the world and barely anything for Palestine. They’re actually selling land in Gaza in New York and ONLY Jewish people can purchase it. Disgusting.
Yes; I would agree that behavior of those people is egregious.
But I’m not actually certain you want to be on record as saying that the behavior of the majority of a group means we can judge every member of that group by it, do you? Reviving prejudicial practices feels like the wrong bandwagon.
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If isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their policies, then they brought the Jewish population into this mess.
Which is terrible of Israel and rightly deserves criticism; I miss how it necessitates us, as individuals, to be alright or comfortable with the conflation of all Jewish people, as a whole, with holding unified belief, particularly in a world with a very long history of prejudice that argues they’re a wily group that works in unified concert to achieve singular ends.
Isreal picked this fight and has been calling any criticism of their actions antisemitism. They framed the argument and turned their state actions into a racial issue.
Which is bad; obviously. Nobody in this thread is doing any apologia for Israel.
In part because that’s not what depicted in this image, is it? This was a message written explicitly on kosher meals likely because the person who did it was conflating all Jewish people with being Israel supporters. Unless you’re O. K. with profiling, it should not be hard to identify the problem here. Fighting individual Jewish people is not the same as fighting Israel and it’s certainly not one we should be tolerating.
Then tell isreal to stop claiming antisemitism for criticism. Thats making it racial.
I am an american Jew. I am not committing genocide (well, the US is committing several right now but I don’t have shit to do with it in fact I am protesting it as much as I can and my professional work in no way supports it) Fuck all the way off with that racist as fuck shit. I am not guilty of what some other Jewish (and plenty of non Jewish people) are doing any more than every arab is guilty of 9/11 or any other terrorism. People are not responsible for crimes of people who share a background with them.
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You being offended is nothing in comparison to what the Palestinian people are facing right now. Maybe get over it.
Also. Free Palestine!
Edit: Ok I can not see whatever comment was removed by moderators? I may be missing context if someone was suggesting the terrorist Israeli genocidal colonizing apartheid government represented all Jewish folks, which is absolutely and unequivocally not the case.
While there are a few people here, at the very least, unconsciously conflating the two, I think the point kerrigan778 is pointing out is that writing this message only on kosher meals is clearly making an assumption that a Jewish person is pro- the current genocide in Gaza.
Sure, it’s not as bad as genocide, most clearly, but it’s still a form of prejudice and can put a person at risk (we could reasonably justify morally putting something that would cause damage or sickness in the food of a genocider but, if you’re targeting ends up including people who aren’t in support of the genocide, you’re hurting those people – too –, now).
And, given the history of hatred against Jewish people (and it’s uptick starting in 2016), I’d argue it’s something we should also be concerned about and stopping. I think that was their only point.
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Fucking neither you racist fuckwit, I’m not allowed in the US military anyways I’m trans. Also, congrats, you have asked me the most racist question I think I’ve ever been directly asked. Good job.
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That’s antisemitic.
If Isreal claims antisemitism for criticism of their state sponsored policy, then yes.
No, because you’re conflating Jewish people with Israel.
Isreal did that first.
I’m glad you chose such a good role model.
My role model is Judge James Horton. But go ahead with your cancel culture line of ad hominem attack.
My brother…
Oh wow, there’s more of them!
Yeah, the genocide of Palestinians IS another holocaust!
It says “Free Palestin”. Totally different place
It’s a typo. It’s supposed to say “plasticine”.
No I’m pretty sure palestin is food. They’re just labelling the free food.
The ‘E’ isn’t on the sticker, but on the aluminium foil.
If it has this label, how can you be sure someone didn’t spit in it or worse?
You definitely can’t
That’s the neat part, you don’t
Unfortunately It came from external provider. I like Iberia.
Actually terrifying. Wouldn’t eat the meal. This is exactly the kind of reason that most European jews hide their identities.
Because they support genocide? 🤔
Because people target them based on their religion/ethnicity.
See my response here
Oh, thank you ICE.
No problem. Hope you found the answer informative :)
Why is this terrifying?
I’d be afraid that the food had been tampered with. It isn’t even something that I’d considered until I saw this post, but there is actually a huge degree of implicit trust involved in eating a meal prepared and handled by someone else.
This meal was targeted specifically because it was labelled kosher, because it was expected that a jew would be receiving it.
The message itself isn’t anti-semitic, but the targeting is, and there are many actual anti-semites out there who want to cause real bodily harm and/or death to jews.
How do you think a muslim or palestinian would react if their halal meal had been tagged with the note “never forget october 7” or something similar?
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I’m sure you’d make a great little soldier.
This wasn’t targeting Americans or Israelis.
Regardless, wanting hundreds of millions of people to live in fear due to their nationality is fucked up. This kind of attitude challenges my faith in humanity.
Fear brings hate. Hate brings violence. Violence brings death. Violence and death bring fear.
The way to break the cycle is creating safety by removing violent actors, fostering compassion and combating hate.
This really fucking screams either “American trying to do his first communism” or “guy trying to make the entire left look bad”.
Did you fucking forget to get class conscious along the way? Did you see ambiguity in “workers of the world unite”? Did you think that “international solidarity” was just meaningless platitude?
One can (and I am and will) disagree with the policies of the governments of the US and Israel. One can (and I do and will) oppose the militarism, the enormous exploitation of their working class and the xenophobia that are driven by their economic elites. But one should not undermine the international struggle because one disagrees with the national politics of the nations were your comrades happen to live. One should not fall hook, line and sinker for the tricks and ploys they have been using for eternities to keep the working class fighting each other, instead of their exploiters.
Self-victimizing and false equivalence, classic.
Non Jews sure don’t have any idea how rabid people who hate Jews can get
It’s not like there was a massive event centered around killing as many of us as possible or anything
Well there’s certainly no other racial or minority group that could understand that
Maybe it’s my own confirmation bias but I see more dismissal of Jewish concerns than others even in progressive spaces 🤷
It might help if you don’t imply Jewish people are the only targets of genocide, but I do think this very topic proves the overall point
I personally find it hilarious. And I’m a Jew who supports Palestine.
Sound argument. I’d like to add that pork beats kosher!
That definitely depends. On the one hand there are some pretty delicious jewish cultural dishes, and I know some Jews who are religious and stick strictly to kosher diets have a hard time with the taste of pork after not eating it for a long time (a bit like vegetarians with meat). On the other hand, bacon though…
