The collective outpouring of admiration for a young alleged assassin points to a gaping void in American politics.
  • Fedizen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    41·
    2 days ago

    the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.

    Timing: 10/10

    Execution: 9/10

    Target 10/10

    Style: 10/10

    We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren’t as common but it is what it is.

    • daddy32@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 days ago

      the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.

      Too bad that’s not trump :(

      • volvoxvsmarla @lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don’t change much, you might create a public outrage, but it’s like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.

        Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.

        It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man’s freedom for this.

      • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Don’t give up hope. He’s had 3 attempts already, hoping #4 is a better shot

  • zephorah@lemm.eeEnglish
    70·
    2 days ago

    This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.

    This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”

    This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.

    This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

    And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.

    No I didn’t read the article.

    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      569·
      2 days ago

      The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.

      • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
        44·
        2 days ago

        I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.

      • mcherm@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        2 days ago

        Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.

      • zephorah@lemm.eeEnglish
        16·
        2 days ago

        Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.

        But not this guy. That’s the salient point.

      • mm_maybe@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.

    • takeda@lemmy.worldEnglish
      721·
      2 days ago

      I wouldn’t say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.

      This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump’s cabinet picks.

      • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        301·
        2 days ago

        as we just elected them

        That’s because the system is rigged. We can only ever choose between one rich person and another.

  • TheObviousSolution@lemm.eeEnglish
    45·
    2 days ago

    Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true. They may be trying to rewrite the legacy of the CEO, but he was not “one of the good guys”.

    Although there is some crossover to the unibomber’s manifesto, in the sense that where this would have been the breaking point in societies of the past waiting for a revolution, the new means of control and technology is being used to keep it under control, from all sides, even and specially those that abused social networks to put Trump in power. Can’t have the status quo of “[I can] stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody [but not you]” challenged.

      • ivanafterall ☑️@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        There’s a lot of overlap.

        In recent years, around 30% of newly appointed board members in the S&P 500 have been active or retired CEOs.

        And:

        CEOs and directors with financial backgrounds constitute 59% of the incoming class of S&P 500 directors…

        Source, for whatever it’s worth. I admittedly just did a cursory Google search out of curiosity and that’s what popped up, but I had a feeling it’d be a significant percentage.

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    83·
    2 days ago

    No shit… The gaping hole is the fact rich fucks are all we have to vote for. The President that recently won is the biggest example of undeserved wealth and power ever.

  • Lad@reddthat.comEnglish
    781·
    2 days ago

    I’ve been surprised by how many people are celebrating this guy. Just goes to show how strongly the contempt is felt for the American healthcare system.

    • rabber@lemmy.caEnglish
      1181·
      2 days ago

      I think it’s more about class warfare than healthcare specifically. All my European friends are cheering him on too despite not experiencing hardship with healthcare

      • Nythos@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        19·
        2 days ago

        My girlfriend was very much in the club of “murder is bad no matter what” until I explained exactly why a health insurance CEO would be targeted.

      • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        38·
        2 days ago

        Europeans are famously derisive of the American healthcare system though, so for whatever reason they seem to care specifically about his impact on that. I think in general America looms large around the world, economically, militarily, culturally. And certainly online. Having something to feel superior about seems to provide a channel for pent up frustration or resentment. Because believe me there’s no other reason for Europeans to care as much as they do about how much my healthcare costs.

      • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        That’s conceptually backward to how our justice system (on paper) determines guilt. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Luigi did it. Nobody else needs to be convicted or even accused for Luigi to be determined to be innocent.

        And there are some good reasons to doubt from what we’ve seen as the public. The cops said they found his backpack in NY but then also found him with his backpack. The pictures don’t quite match. It doesn’t make sense for him to keep incriminating evidence on him in a McDonald’s. There’s a lot about it that stinks.

  • dumbass@leminal.spaceEnglish
    38·
    2 days ago

    I’m from Australia and I’m quite obsessed with this, so it’s a pretty global feeling.

    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
      19·
      2 days ago

      Am from Germany. I want them to know this is what happens if they ever take our health care away. Pry it from my cold dead hands and all that. Luigi is a hero!

    • nepenthes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      2 days ago

      I think for those of us who have universal healthcare, it still has the David vs Goliath appeal.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      I’m not from Australia, but every Australian I’ve ever interacted with has been good people.

      …so I don’t think your username is apt.

      • dumbass@leminal.spaceEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        You can be a dumbass and a good person! Cheers for the compliment, but it’s a pretty apt description of me a lot of the time lol.

  • hOrni@lemmy.worldEnglish
    442·
    2 days ago

    Will it? I’m already sensing it dying down. I think we need a refresher.

  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
    481·
    2 days ago

    Yeah this may be a bit of a clumsy comparison but he’s giving me John Brown vibes.

    My insurance company just sent me a completely coincidental survey about my views towards them. I’m looking forward to going off on them when I have a moment. I’m sure it won’t do much but at least it should be cathartic.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      261·
      2 days ago

      “How do you feel about our service, with 10 being the highest?”

      doesn’t circle 1-10, instead writes in “I have a gun”

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
        11·
        2 days ago

        Just don’t talk to any police that may call or show up. Because even suggesting that you’re angry at them is enough to give them protection.

        • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
          91·
          2 days ago

          See, cops are trained, in basic training to believe that EVERY civilian IS a threat to them. The original idea I’m sure was meant to be more like “every civilian CAN BE a threat to you”. Which is actually true. It’s meant to be more like danger on the streets can come at any time. Instead, it’s now taught as in every single cop IS being targeted by every single civilian with death threats. Which just factually is not true.

          But my brain has an overactive imagination. MY brain likes to take absurd concepts and flesh them out to their realistic natural conclusions. What WOULD happen if every civilian wanted to kill every cop? And the answer all depends how far the government wants to go to protect cops. Because without military intervention, the end result is a lot of dead civilians, but also EVERY cop being killed too. And if that happens, or even threatens to realistically happen, do the military get called in to keep the people in line? And how do they handle it?

          And there are three outcomes.

          1. Military says fuck this, and doesn’t get involved.

          2. Military gets involved, but gets swallowed by the vast overwhelming numbers of civilians. Without a military in place, the USA falls to another power. Maybe even a new internal one.

          3. The military treats the usa as a police state, and goes to war on itself. I’m talking full WWIII levels of violence. Atomic bombs, flame throwers, drones, they basically go scorched earth on itself.

          And all of this can be completely sidetracked if the police don’t treat the people who’ve done nothing wrong as active threats.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
              111·
              2 days ago

              My head is a very dark place where realism doesn’t die to protect the sugar coated mature of society.

              Also, you don’t even WANT to know how life would turn out if cats suddenly gained the ability to talk. It would start would gender clashes among the poverty stricken, and would eventually turn into a world where chickens outnumber humans 100,000 to 1, but they’re just the pawns in the food wars. Shit gets real.

    • 4lan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Those of us with UHC will not forget. I spent 2 years trying to get mental health help through UHC.

      • Bahnd Rollard@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        2 days ago

        Mainstream media will try to move it to the next news cycle to be forgotten. We will keep the flame lit ourselves.

      • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        2 days ago

        I can’t speak for everyone. All I know is that every time I notice the deduction in my paycheck that’s going toward my health insurance, I’ll be thinking of this. Same with when I have to pay a co-pay despite having said-insurance. Or when I get a text from the urgent care, months after my visit, telling me I still have “a balance” to resolve…

        Really, there is no shortage of reminders for many of us. As long as the system keeps squeezing us, we will have plenty of reminders.

        • JovialMicrobial@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Quest diagnostics wouldn’t let my phlebotomist do the digital part of my bloodwork until I paid my debt to them. She tried everything, and their software locked her out. She was getting quietly furious as she messed with her computer while apologizing to me.

          I’ll be thinking about that everytime I need healthcare.

          Oh and just so everyone knows, Quest Diagnostics has been in federal court for Medicaid fraud several times and yet their allowed to keep operating. But its definitely “unnecessary care” driving up healthcare costs

          https://bergermontague.com/quest-diagnostics-pay-1-79-million-settle-false-claims/

  • tacosanonymous@lemm.eeEnglish
    91·
    2 days ago

    I sure hope so.

    I’m going to make bookmarks, tshirts, and inspirational posters.

    Probably a coloring book too.