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There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.
Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.
Someone needs to make a movie that kicks off with the Middle East having led the Industrial Revolution by capitalistic means of rapid production and innovation. Their need for natural resources growing, and them deciding to use military dominance to covertly get what they need in that regard. Them invading parts of an impoverished US, installing government leaders, … all of it. It would make for a hell of a movie. Kind of like the one where the Soviets won the space race.
There is a similar alternative history book, The Years of Rice and Salt, that explores the idea of what if the black death killed 99% of Europeans instead of 33%; Europe repopulated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67-year-long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.
There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.
That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.
You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.
Yes… The real life lore video on nebula (also YouTube) I referenced. Or if a nearly hour long video is too much of a commitment to prove me wrong, see here and here. Then 20-30 years later they implemented those plans (poorly).
From what I’ve heard, the current government tapped the groundwater table to push farming. Now, there isn’t enough groundwater to accommodate the difference between water demand and river water.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world will completely disregard this cautionary tale and continue to extract groundwater to farm until only saltwater remains.
Then, as billions of people are dying of starvation, thirst, and societal downfall, the elite will finally prioritize desalination R&D and if/when they get something to work they will hail it as a revolutionary step for humanity and completely disregard the fact that this R&D / subsequent proliferation could have been initiated decades ago when the problem was first apparent.
Voila, no more overpopulation crisis, and water, what the civilized world once considered a human right, is now used as a method for exerting control, as it is only ever potable (sans rainwater) after being processed.
Parts of the US, like all the major cities in Texas, are actively sinking because we’re draining the aquifers that took millennia to fill. It’s yet another problem just festering, fascinating to watch as the reality approaches.
Maybe not suppose to exist in their current size (the same could be said for a lot of large cities), but humans have lived in both for thousands of years.
people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking
I’m not sure “maintaining adequate levels of domestic crop yield” is a short-term benefit. They’re stretched for water because they’re in a historic drought during a climate catastrophe. This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.
The Iranian government can’t summon rain from the heavens any easier than their Saudi or Qatari neighbors. Those states just have the benefit of access to western markets and engineering firms for enormous desalination plants. Meanwhile, Iranians’ energy infrastructure - necessary to run the pumps and pipelines that irrigate much of the country - have been subject to repeated bombardment by Israeli and US aircraft. Most notably, their civilian nuclear program was crippled by Trump’s B-2 bombing run in June. But this is just the tail end of the damage inflicted by the eleven day shootout with Israel.
The B-2 hit their uranium enrichment, not their one civilian nuclear power plant. Iran buys uranium from Russia already enriched to the ~5% level needed to run that power plant. The Iranian program to enrich uranium above that level is entirely a weapons program, since they have no need for uranium enrichment to run their power plant.
Perhaps instead of investing less resources in a nuclear weapons program and more into projects to benefit their population, Iran wouldn’t be in such a mess.
This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.
Nobody wants to invade Iran, just the countries that their calls for death to don’t want them to have nuclear weapons for obvious reasons. When you chant “Death to America! Death to Israel” constantly while funding a bunch of terrorist groups, plotting assassinations, and enriching uranium for nuclear weapons they probably shouldn’t be too surprised about the outcome of those actions.
Most Iranians are good people, but the ruling regime are some of the worst people in the world and prioritize being adversarial assholes over running their country properly. They’re losers and I hope they get overthrown by the Iranian people.
It is at least as civilian as any French nuclear plant. To date, there is no evidence of plutonium enrichment or bomb construction, which is more than can be said of their Israeli neighbors.
Also related is the Water conflict in the Middle East and North Africa caused by dams, although Iran seems to not be reliant on waterflows from elsewhere. Maybe low rainfall and bad distribution of resources
Yeah they’ve talked about how Iran has been in a drought for quite a while. It’s like utah, we’ve been in a drought for 20 plus years at this point we had one good water year last year and for the first time in quite a while came out of our drought status and everybody just kind of forgot and then all of a sudden by the end of the summer most the state was back in a drug in severe drought status again I can’t wait for all of our idiotic agriculture here to dry up the water table just like it has over there.
What ya mean “no water”? Are they all relying on bottled water, like the whole country? Cant watch youtube
There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.
Wait wait wait.
Sooo… a theocratic nation lead by irrational bigots, using decades old ultracapitalistic plans… aren’t getting shit done?
I mean…surely God would have told them what to do, right?
Right ?
…
Let’s just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they’ve had to try and be self sufficient.
Well yes, Iran used to be nice.
Unfortunately they had/have oil.
https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/war-for-oil-conspiracy-theories-may-be-right
It was not “nice” for most people under the Shah.
Okay, you got me there. What about “Iran used to be nicer”? Would that be okay?
Someone needs to make a movie that kicks off with the Middle East having led the Industrial Revolution by capitalistic means of rapid production and innovation. Their need for natural resources growing, and them deciding to use military dominance to covertly get what they need in that regard. Them invading parts of an impoverished US, installing government leaders, … all of it. It would make for a hell of a movie. Kind of like the one where the Soviets won the space race.
There is a similar alternative history book, The Years of Rice and Salt, that explores the idea of what if the black death killed 99% of Europeans instead of 33%; Europe repopulated by Muslim pioneers, the indigenous peoples of the Americas forming a league to resist Chinese and Muslim invaders, and a 67-year-long world war being fought primarily between Muslim states and the Chinese and their allies.
Still, Iranians were overall more satisfied under The Shah’s regime than those that followed.
Imagine going from democratic government to a monarch like western puppet with foreign backing out of no where. Id imaging you would be pretty unhappy and would try to overthrow and hope something better would come along. Of course you don’t know what’s gonna fill that power vacuum but you are suffering NOW and want change NOW. Seems pretty logical.
We’re living that now in the USA. Oh how the turns are tabled.
There is also a lot of info about the CIA teaching the Iranian gov’t effective torture techniques. I totally understand the animosity.
There is certainly a lot of bad the USA intelligence agencies have done in the past, but the current administration of Iran has been around in various forms for 45 years and it’s backed economically and militarily by Russia and China, blaming anything happening there today on the USA is insanity.
That would be like me blaming the Chinese for the state of Israel because of some shit happening on that soil during WWII.
Not sure where US blame came into play
You mentioned “outdated American plans”. I searched around a fair bit but wasn’t able to find any indications that Iranian dams were built using American dams as reference. Do you have a source for that?
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding and they were simply stating that they did similarly to america, rather than implying any direct involvement.
Apparently this isn’t the case - see their other comment. I haven’t read through the article yet but they are claiming a pretty direct connection.
Yes… The real life lore video on nebula (also YouTube) I referenced. Or if a nearly hour long video is too much of a commitment to prove me wrong, see here and here. Then 20-30 years later they implemented those plans (poorly).
From what I’ve heard, the current government tapped the groundwater table to push farming. Now, there isn’t enough groundwater to accommodate the difference between water demand and river water.
It sucks for Iran.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world will completely disregard this cautionary tale and continue to extract groundwater to farm until only saltwater remains.
Then, as billions of people are dying of starvation, thirst, and societal downfall, the elite will finally prioritize desalination R&D and if/when they get something to work they will hail it as a revolutionary step for humanity and completely disregard the fact that this R&D / subsequent proliferation could have been initiated decades ago when the problem was first apparent.
Voila, no more overpopulation crisis, and water, what the civilized world once considered a human right, is now used as a method for exerting control, as it is only ever potable (sans rainwater) after being processed.
Parts of the US, like all the major cities in Texas, are actively sinking because we’re draining the aquifers that took millennia to fill. It’s yet another problem just festering, fascinating to watch as the reality approaches.
vegas, las angelas is not suppose to exist but water has to be diverted to these counties.
Maybe not suppose to exist in their current size (the same could be said for a lot of large cities), but humans have lived in both for thousands of years.
Lol oh look, people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking; I wonder how often that happens!
I’m not sure “maintaining adequate levels of domestic crop yield” is a short-term benefit. They’re stretched for water because they’re in a historic drought during a climate catastrophe. This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.
The Iranian government can’t summon rain from the heavens any easier than their Saudi or Qatari neighbors. Those states just have the benefit of access to western markets and engineering firms for enormous desalination plants. Meanwhile, Iranians’ energy infrastructure - necessary to run the pumps and pipelines that irrigate much of the country - have been subject to repeated bombardment by Israeli and US aircraft. Most notably, their civilian nuclear program was crippled by Trump’s B-2 bombing run in June. But this is just the tail end of the damage inflicted by the eleven day shootout with Israel.
The B-2 hit their uranium enrichment, not their one civilian nuclear power plant. Iran buys uranium from Russia already enriched to the ~5% level needed to run that power plant. The Iranian program to enrich uranium above that level is entirely a weapons program, since they have no need for uranium enrichment to run their power plant.
Perhaps instead of investing less resources in a nuclear weapons program and more into projects to benefit their population, Iran wouldn’t be in such a mess.
Nobody wants to invade Iran, just the countries that their calls for death to don’t want them to have nuclear weapons for obvious reasons. When you chant “Death to America! Death to Israel” constantly while funding a bunch of terrorist groups, plotting assassinations, and enriching uranium for nuclear weapons they probably shouldn’t be too surprised about the outcome of those actions.
Most Iranians are good people, but the ruling regime are some of the worst people in the world and prioritize being adversarial assholes over running their country properly. They’re losers and I hope they get overthrown by the Iranian people.
And yet other articles were blaming corruption and cronyism for not adequately limiting water used for agriculture
Western Press do be like that. The Saudi government is experiencing the same water crisis, but somehow remains beyond repute.
Fair enough i was a little harsh; but I hughly doubt their uranium is civilian
It is at least as civilian as any French nuclear plant. To date, there is no evidence of plutonium enrichment or bomb construction, which is more than can be said of their Israeli neighbors.
The French have nukes tho, maybe Belgium is a better example.
Also related is the Water conflict in the Middle East and North Africa caused by dams, although Iran seems to not be reliant on waterflows from elsewhere. Maybe low rainfall and bad distribution of resources
Yeah they’ve talked about how Iran has been in a drought for quite a while. It’s like utah, we’ve been in a drought for 20 plus years at this point we had one good water year last year and for the first time in quite a while came out of our drought status and everybody just kind of forgot and then all of a sudden by the end of the summer most the state was back in a drug in severe drought status again I can’t wait for all of our idiotic agriculture here to dry up the water table just like it has over there.
Coming soon to a theater near you
On the bright side, they’ve got lots of brand new sinkholes. So that’s nice.
but why isn’t Allah making more water?
They aren’t praying enough, obviously.
5 times a day? Why isn’t it 72 times?
What do you watch then if you can’t watch YouTube?
Maybe they’re at work.