I assume we also blame Chinese citizens for everything the CCP does too or does that only apply to western nations.
Does it even apply for all western nations? What about Norway?
Westoid? Are you one of those Lemmings who sound like bots that randomly go on an irrational tirade against the entire West whenever 'Murica does some shit but you still blame it on everyone else?
The troops are part of the working class.
Westoid? Average?.. so like, millions if not billions of people, all believe this to be a just argument?
We both know this is where your argument falls apart but damn it must be cathartic to post it knowing some idiot “westoid” will try to prove their virtue to you.
The meme isn’t wrong but “westoid”? Only the terminally online could have dreamed up a term like that.
You know I just realized, incels also call women “femoids”…
Former Marine here. This illustrates the prevailing excuse endemic to the whole imperialist war machine. Every bloody cog has some way of passing blame up the chain. I fixed electronics so I never had to personally pull a trigger but the electronics I fixed helped fix aircraft whose pilots and aircrew were responsible for atrocities I can only imagine. I used to rationalize that this separation erased my culpability but now I understand it actually enhanced it. At the level of maintenance I was at a broken twidgit tip unaccounted for could ground an entire air wing for several days.
If you have made the massive mistake of joining the military please use your power of being a rusty cog. Report every chip on every tool to maintenance control, send every piece of gear missing a screw or emp braiding in for parts/DRMO don’t run to the hardware store for a quick replacement, CDI time is valuable and limited so make sure to never skip a CDI verification step and ask for their opinion on every anomalous reading, if you drop a torque wrench or break a cal seal ground that gear and send it back to the shop, take your time and verify every measurement, don’t gundeck MAFs, and follow all procedures to the letter. Don’t be afraid to involve maintenance control to make sure your shop is fully compliant and not taking shortcuts. If you had just sat on your rack and refused to work you would just get replaced, now you have weaponized the regulations and bureaucracy in a way that covers your ass for the rest of your enlistment while crippling the whole air wing. You can now get out and try to make amends for the catastrophic damage you have done to the world. However if you reenlist fucking die in a fire.
I regret every day that I joined and wish I was aware of the evil the system I was a part of was perpetrating. The few times I talk about my time in the Marines in the last few years is to warn people about how fucked up it is, how they brainwash and strip the individuality from recruits, and most importantly the reality of what the US Military does to innocent people all over the world and the environment.
You recognize what’s going on and not brush it off, you didn’t directly kill and rape people, so that puts you really on the good side.
There is a reason that 18 is a prime recruiting age - not enough life knowledge to know better.
Prefrontal cortex stops developing at 23 to 25. Let that sink in as you remember all the decisions you made prior to 23.
Thats actually just pop science and a misunderstanding on one studies wording.
We’ve not reason to believe there is any sudden stoppage of development vs trailing off.
The capitalist version of the Nuremberg excuse… “We all have a mortgage to pay”
Just following orders
To be fair, more people join the army for Healthcare or to not be homeless than for a college education. Poverty is the main driver of recruitment in the US.
lol, “if you lack adequate healthcare and housing, it’s understandable you would go abroad and murder innocent people.”
Absolutely insane logic, and I know for a fact you wouldn’t even entertain these excuses if the victims were white people.
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We condemned and still condemn every attack on civilians who are not participant in any sort of aggression or colonialism (otherwise it will be called resistance)
That’s the difference between you and us
The Muslim world suffered the most from terrorism done by people who claim to be Muslim or doing it for Islam. Algeria was in the 90s the most affected country by terrorism by people who claim they are doing it for Islam, nobody supports when this shit is done to Europeans too.
Comrades, is not supporting capitalist invasions the same as terrorists attacks?
Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.
Yeah yeah yeah. America! Fuck yeah!
Bam!
“Just doing my job.”
Nuremberg o’clock yet?
Holy fuck, how did this shitshow slip through the cracks?
How is this “westoid” logic? As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
We only have a chance at peace when ALL soldiers refuse to invade foreign lands.
We only have a chance at peace when ALL soldiers refuse to invade foreign lands.
You’re not wrong, it’s just that that statement historically doesn’t apply to the US. Very few US wars started because we were attacked.
So US soldiers need to refuse to invade foreign lands. How does that not apply to the US?
As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
Most countries can’t conceive of operating at the scale of the US. And a great deal of that military surplus is derived from wealth and labor looted overseas.
You’re stacking up Jeffrey Dalmar against the Enola Gay.
Adjusted for purchasing power, China is pretty close to the US in defense spending.
Adjusted for purchasing power,
The yuan doesn’t buy $8 worth of commodity or labor on the global market. Crazy that anyone would believe this.
Who said anything about the global market? Labor is the single biggest cost to the US military and the gap between What a US private earns and what a Chinese private earns is enormous. This is true of all Chinese labor; weapons and kit manufactured in country are all cheaper for them than imports. And the cost of US weapons are hugely inflated: in the US, the most important consideration in defense appropriations has long been steering the most jobs possible to the most congressional districts possible efficiency be damned.
If you are considering that then you would have to divide it to be per capita as well
So how is the original picture “westoid logic” if it only applies to the USA?
It applies to the entire Western block. You can toss in everyone from the French to the Philippines.
The US just happens to be the folks operating on a global scale. You’ll find American military goons engaged in this kind of wreckless, pointless bloodshed from the coast of Venezuela to the highlands of Yemen.
Wait, then why did you show that photo? US spends more on army than China therefore US bad, but in the same photo China spends more than France therefore France still bad?
And maybe not only foreign lands, but also their own ones.
The problem there is that it allows a foreign invader to invade everyone that is peaceful. I think the first step needs to be to refuse to march across the border.
The rest of the world would like to sincerely apologize for making up 0.8% of all unprovoked invasions and war crimes in the last 100 years. We really should do better.
0.8%? At that point I have to ask wtf you consider the west to include as it sounds like you must be ignoring anything done by everyone else.
not every other country is the usa, and not every other country is meddling in every world situation and creating world situations.
sit the fuck down redwhiteandblue underwear, this comment wont hurt you.
I am not American
Ahem take a look at Russia right now ahem. Or Israel, or China…
Has China been bombing people recently?
2 questions bombing only specifically, and what do you consider recent? Do the Uyghurs count? Tibet? All the shit they pull in the South China sea? Korea? Vietnam? Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.
Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.
Western chauvinists have so little to hold against China that they have to resort to things that China isn’t doing, but “might” do in the future.
Oh no, someone criticized China. 🥺
Not surprised to see this jerk face banned.
Conviniently skipped all the other points
I support their intervention in Korea. America was the aggressor in that conflict and the Chinese defended Korean sovereignty from imperialism. Did they bomb Uyghurs without my knowledge? Even if you believe everything western media says about Chinese treatment of Uyghurs their conditions are remarkably better than Palestinians. When Tibetan peasants were freed from serfdom and the culture of the Tibetan ruling class that justified their oppression was suppressed was that equivalent to American imperialism? To the Palestinian genocide? The shit China does in the South China sea is military postering at worst. Nothing they have done has left a place as ruined as Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Nothing has come close the the shear destruction we see at the hands of western imperialism. They are not comparable. You can exaggerate their actions and lie about them to an extreme and they still do not compare to what our countries have done to the world.
Vietnam was fucked up though and I will die mad about it
Ah, good old “their war of imperialism” vs “our liberation of good people”. Right after “oh yeah, you think our genocide is bad? Check out tvis different genocide on the other side of the planet”.
You realise two things can be bad at once, right?I didn’t say “not bad” I said “not equivalent” and “not comparable”. China does not belong on that list next to Israel and Russia. That’s just patently ridiculous.
If you really need me to say it, yes china has done bad things lol
It’s telling that they have to go all the way back to Vietnam or Korea to try (and fail) to find things equivalent to what the West is going currently.
Ok explain the South China sea bull shit and stealing international waters and being the aggressor to the Philippines an neighbors? Genocide of the Uyghurs? You just jumped right over that part and used only a select part of the statement to make a weak ass strawman argument.
Yeah? I’m looking at China, and I’m not seeing anything.
Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South China Sea, India… off the top my head.
India and China have a border dispute using sticks and rocks.
Whataboutism
I always make it a point to NEVER utter the words “thank you for your service” to these so called “heroes”. However, I do say this to people who have actually earned this phrase, such as teachers, nurses, etc.
Those words and honours are reserved for actual service workers.
Although they better unionize the fuck up already
The point of the Latuff cartoon is valid, I just really dislike the smell of the word “westoid”.
smell
tbf, the word smells better than the people (“peoploid”) it refers to.
The term smacks of eating just as much propaganda as the people that they’re complaining about.
He, language changes, new informalisms drop constantly. it is better to accept it and move on, otherwise growing old will get really annoying, and you do not want to spend any portion of your life complaining about those damn kids
We used to critique whig historiography, maybe we need to critique whig linguistics too. “Westoid” reeks of campism, that’s not something to just accept and move on.
yhea, but judging language is something I don’t want to waste energy doing. as long as I’m confident I understood the meaning I don’t care.
And often people adopt those terms ironically. or spread naturally by kids grabbing new words.
it might be a slight red flag, but too many false positives to care.
Call me old fashioned, but language matters. And if you scroll through this thread you will see that OP is pretty much using it as a campist slur, not ironically.
I gotta respect my leftists elders, keep an eye on campists🫡
We don’t need an age/authority framework to have a discussion.
was trying to jokingly do an ok boomer.
