• shalafi@lemmy.world
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      Not defending those guys, but it was a clusterfuck of Biblical proportions more than a lack of courage or will. PBS has an awesome documentary on it. I can’t watch it twice.

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        I don’t need a documentary to tell me what I saw. I remember a cop in the hallway, so scared to peek around the corner, I’m honestly surprised he didn’t pee his pants. The only time he ever dared to peek around the corner, and down the hall to where the guy was still killing little kids one by one, was when another guy peeked around the corner, and he’d hide behind the other guy. After that disgusting display of cowardice, I’m sure nobody he knows will ever look at him the same again.

        The only performance I’ve ever seen that was as cowardly was the Parkland cop who not only stayed outside and listened to all those students get murdered, but when other cops showed up, he told them not to go in either.

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        I appreciate a bureaucratic fuck up as much as the next guy, but when the hard math is 300 armed dudes outside and 1 armed dude shooting kids in a school for the entire runtime of Shrek, I have no benefit of the doubt left to give. Maybe if it was a dog with a gun they would’ve shot it 30 seconds after arriving on scene.

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        Well, certainly not “more than a lack of courage or will”, more like “in addition to a lack of courage or will”. Otherwise someone would have had the courage and the will, regardless of clusterfuck proportion.

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          There was one mom who had the “courage & will” to go get her daughter, and the cops threatened to arrest her. Can’t have citizens being braver than the ENTIRE police force.

          I don’t understand why that town didn’t demand that the entire police force be fired, from the Police Chief all the way down. The next force would them know what is expected of them, since the first one didn’t umderstand that protecting the children is their highest priority.

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        If I were one of them I think my communication gear would malfunction and I wouldn’t get the orders to do nothing, if that is what happened.

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    I always picture myself heroically charging the gunman with a few people I made eye contact with right before, but this guy actually went and did it. Solo to boot.

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      You might be surprised what you’ll do when the shit hits the fan. I’ve saved my own life twice, arguably three times. I think most people can summon more courage than they think when confronted with life-or-death decisions.

      It’s just that most have been scared shitless, but not “I’m going to fucking die if I don’t act in the next 3-seconds” kinda scared shitless. Time crawls, our brain starts sorting solutions, picks one, acts.

      This man was extra though. His life wasn’t immediately in danger, he could have frozen or run backwards. But sometimes our monkey brain says, “attack the threat to the tribe” and we just go. He went.

      Imagine carrying that extra confidence for life. Hero indeed.

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        I saved a man’s life once (AFAIK, I’m unaware if he actually survived after first responders took over).

        I almost killed myself later that day, overdosing on meds. Not everyone is equipped to deal with that kind of stress.

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      You really never know until the moment comes. If you’re that kind of person, your mind just blanks and you’re suddenly doing things

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          You really never know until you’re in the moment.

          I was once in a situation like that… When people started screaming I was already carrying my niece under one arm (who was a preteen no longer usually carried) and bringing her to my stepdad and telling him to get her out of here. I didn’t realize what I was doing, I didn’t hear her asking me what was happening until I was power walking towards the screaming and telling my mom (a nurse) who asked what to do that she should follow me to see if there was something to be done

          Turns out a woman offed herself in a bathroom, there was nothing to be done. I snapped out of it, and I was more disturbed by how calm I was during the whole thing than anything else

          But now I know. My mind will shut off and I’ll act…I have the memory of what I did, but not a single thought went through my head during the event. I was equally ready to fight someone with a gun barehanded or to cover my hands in blood to slow the bleeding. I probably would barely notice getting shot in that state

          I guess I always thought I’d be the heroic type, but lots of people do. I’m shocked at how effective I was in the moment… My priorities were followed perfectly, I locked the fuck in, head empty, no thoughts, no hesitation

          I think that’s always what it’s like. And that’s why you never really know… I’m not a leader, in fact my step dad is and I hate telling people what to do. But when the chips are down, I bark orders that people obey and run towards the danger automatically

          And I’m pretty proud of that

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    On Sky News (of course), there was a “Member of local Jewish community” who immediately blamed the shooting on Pro-Palestinian rallies. Also espousing “from the river to the sea” is KILL ALL JEWS. Can’t make this shit up

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      Mate, I’m in Portugal and of all the countries and people who made statements about this attack, the only one the news TV station I was watching actually played was the one from the Israeli government.

      These fucking assholes are very purposefully feeding the very “Israel and Jewish People are the same thing” that makes people thing that the sociopathic genocidal mass murdering of chidren done by Israel is a Jewish Thing, which in turn feed the real anti-semitism.

      To support a modern day white colonialist ethno-Fascist project (and the local Fascists who support it) these people are activelly fostering an environment were innocents are killed because they’re Jewish.

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    The architects of AI did not even include those who did the science, right?.. Only those who try to make money based on that…

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      2 or 3 of them were scientists, but they only chose the most famous ones who don’t have time for science anymore.

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    The gentleman is 43? What the hell do i look like? Cuz i know I am not aging gracefully

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    Yet another example of immigrants coming here and disrupting the lives of honest white mass murderers. How dare they.

    EDIT: Not white, it seems.

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      But that’s the difference between well integrated Muslims (who shoot at Jewish people as a white supremacist would) and not integrated people who reject racism and stop any killing of people. All this peace and love is not compatible with Western values.