Shit. I thought the silliness of pointing out lead poisoning as the source of the problem was like a “tone indicator.” I apologize for the confusion.

Sorry, comrade, but I don’t understand your comment. I was just being sarcastic towards a few users who now apparently believe the US is ideologically stubborn because of mass lead poisoning or for some weird biological reason.

Why was the British empire so evil? What about imperial Japan? Or the French or Roman empires? Why are citizens of empires self-centered and evil and supportive of their nation? Surely, it must be because of lead poisoning…

Oh, yeah you’re probably right in that case. I’m from Canada, and i have limited knowledge of the grassroots movements going on there in the US.

The liberals are going to be forced to eitheir unabashedly support people defending their communities against the state

Liberals, by definition, cannot do this without siding with another administration of the state. In this case, the democratic party. When they denounce this duopoly and reject the elections as the method of class struggle, they then cease to be liberals. And protests are not necessarily a renunciation of elections. The people who advocate for voting and claim that we simply need to change the administration of the bourgeois state are not our friends, quite the opposite. And it doesn’t really matter if these libs protest against ICE because it’s mostly performative. There were protests against the Vietnam war, and not much came of it from an organization pov, but we communists should perhaps be blamed for that one, and it’s a similar situation now. The Black Panther Party were pretty much the only ones who were class conscious back then and getting stuff done. It’s their methods we should use now, too.

I believe it’s fair to say that liberals have a sort of punishment fetish at this point. They always did since it’s an integral part of their ideology, but now this collective punishment is trying to materialize within the US. What we are seeing here is specifically the attempt to blame the rise of fascism on communists or the “far left.” They will not end up attacking capitalism, but rather those who are genuine anti capitalists. At the same time, the libs pretend to be anti fascist. Notice that they almost always ignored and dismissed the misery of ethnic minorities and those who are brutalized in the global south. This dialectic will continue within the US with a few groups of white people relegated to the ranks of brutes.

No… You’re an awful person and have no place in any leftist circle. This conversation is disturbing.

That slur is used against people who are disabled. It was historically created for that purpose, too, in a medical setting by doctors.

Who is this comment aimed at? Criticalresist or that other guy, yugopnik?

Edit: it matters because influencers are shitty people. Most of them are in the petite bourgeoisie class. Those who listen to them to learn about communism will have a petit bourgeois understanding of communism.

The expulsion of a group, any group, from the category of human beings is extremely dangerous. Below are some passages from Losurdo’s book, War and Revolution. Although I did gather the passages and quickly made this comment, I think it might resonate with some of you.

“At times of acute conflict, we witness a kind of mutual excommunication from civilization (this is the essence of the process of de-specification). The friend/enemy dichotomy tends to coincide with the civilization/ barbarism dichotomy. However, the two forms of de-specification are not equivalent. One of them establishes a politico-moral distance between the self and the enemy, while the other establishes a distance more charged with naturalistic elements, because it identifies the enemy as foreigner and barbarian or, with reference predominantly to revolutionary leaders, as a lunatic, who is likewise alien to a community within which conflict arises not because of internal contradictions, but because of an external pathogenic or ethnic cause. The first type of de-specification refers to a form of conduct which, by definition, is particular and mutable. Going beyond conduct, the second ends up referring to characteristics that tend to assume a naturalistic fixity.”

“The ideology developed to legitimize and celebrate ventures against the barbarians also ends up materializing in the capitalist metropolis. […] In other words, during serious conflicts between members of the civilized community, forms of war traditionally employed against barbarians tend to emerge within it as well.”

But the definition of race/barbarians can be vague. For example,

“Between 1907 and 1915, thirteen US states enacted laws for compulsory sterilization, covering, according to Indiana’s legislation (the first state to move in this direction), ‘habitual delinquents, idiots, imbeciles and rapists’. There were those who proposed extending such legislation to ‘vagabonds’ (for the most part members of an ‘inferior race’).”

However, we on the left usually react to such racialization with moral condemnation.

“We register a paradox. At the very moment when de-specification on a naturalistic basis is indignantly rejected, moral sentiment can result in a different type of de-specification, with the expulsion from the moral (and human) community of a social stratum (in this instance, slave-owners).”

And,

“The most radical representatives of American abolitionism seem to argue in similar fashion. [Condemning] the institution of slavery as a ‘combination of death and hell’, and having branded the US Constitution as a ‘covenant with death and an agreement with hell’. […] Reconstructed via the rejection of racial prejudice, the unity of the human race is once again undermined by moral or politico-moral sentiment or fanaticism.”

Yet,

“In the USA, the ancien régime presented itself in a highly peculiar form. The residues of censitary discrimination were not of much significance. More important was the fact that the aristocracy of class was configured here as an aristocracy of race.”

Finally, there’s the last part of this passage, which I think serves as a prescient warning:

“Tocqueville identified the French and, in particular, the Jacobins as the carriers of ‘a virus of a new and unknown kind’, which allegedly underlay the incessant French revolutionary cycle. Having condemned ressentiment as the motive behind rebellion against the power exercised by the masters and the successful, Nietzsche pointed to the Jews as ‘the people of ressentiment par excellence’. Finally, Hitler prided himself on having finally discovered the source of the disease and the revolutionary infection. It was Jews and Bolsheviks, who were regularly equated, in part on account of the Jewish origin of a significant number of leaders of the Russian revolutionary movement. The process of ethnicization of the revolutionary virus can assume very different forms. But what remains constant is the danger of slippage from the psychopathological paradigm, which refers to mental illness, to the naturalistic paradigm, which refers to the inferior or degenerate ethnicity and race.”

Perhaps the moral condemnation of the West, and since white people have presented themselves as naturally superior for such a long period of time, can at the same time be a rejection of the Western population as part of the “real” human race by those they have oppressed. It sounds like a reversal of white supremacists’ own self-perceived superiority. This strand of thought admits that a certain kind of white people were born without a way out of said group, but judges them negatively and attributes to the group only bad, eternal qualities.

Maybe you should tell this to the brat, Bronstein_Tardigrade. Personally, I will attack whoever I want whenever I deem it necessary.

I misread your comments then. Yeah, it’s the other user who actually pissed me off, not you. Sorry for attacking you like that.

It is a form of reactionary nationalism I guess. According to your other post about them, it seems they accuse the US of meddling in other countries’ immigration policies. Assuming they were referring to European countries, the account could be capitalizing on the growing worldwide condemnation of the USA. The reactionaries who happen to praise China are often ignorant of the PRC’s history and achievements. I guess they could be fascists riding the waves of mass discontent and using our socialist rhetoric for their own nefarious purposes.

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I knew I recognized this pic from somewhere. I used google lens and found it’s from some pretentious smug lib artist. It’s a photo of workers inside a manufacturing plant in China. And there’s no evidence whatsoever that the workers were maltreated.

I got the quote from fox news btw but I think it’s something he said last night on the late show with stephen colbert

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