There have definitely been songs, especially of the vocalsynth kind, where I avoided them any time they’d be recommended to me on yt because the thumbnail alone didn’t make it look all to enticing. Especially compared to other songs with more enticing thumbnails.
I mean, load the thumbnail for this video and tell me you would be enticed compared to this video. Ignore that I commented on the first video since I eventually did watch only to find it’s a good song.
Older pop music like Lady Gaga. I didn’t like the overzealous fans she had
“older” damn yo, don’t do that to me.
Just Dance was only like 5 years ago right?
Just like that Wii game that came out only a few years ago… Wait…
Deliberately misinterpreting “bad representation”: Darwinia, the PC game (one of the first ever non-Valve games on Steam).
As a teenager I thought it had “bad graphics” because its art style was all polygons and 2D sprites. So the game’s representation on-screen was bad. See what I did there?
I don’t even remember why I bought and played it at all, probably just curiosity, but it wasn’t long before I fell in love with it. Within a week I switched from “this game sucks” to “I love this game”.
Veganism.
Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)
It was not until it was called ‘Plant based’ that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)
Ethical? in the form of ‘less matter’ one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not
man what
Consciousness is very poorly understood, because we don’t understand brains very well at all.
However, because we don’t know how it works, it’s possible that every system with chemical reactions, moving parts etc, might be conscious. It’s a bit of a mind fuck.
Sure, for a generous definition of “possible”. However I don’t see how you get from there to “either all are, or all are not”.
Like, you could at some point have said we don’t understand magnetism. You couldn’t from that argue that either all metals are magnetic or none are.
that’s the thing: no one knows. No one agrees. Not even vegans. It doesn’t stop them pushing out misinformation about it.
For all the facts we do actually have and agree on i could make just as many claims that there is consciousness as they claim there isn’t.
Meanwhile you have anti abortion claims that life starts at conception. This makes an assumption of when consciousness starts. Still not fact.
And scientists don’t want to be withheld from work on plants for the fear of ethics. (Yet they tear mice apart)They will go as far as make no effort of reference or crosscheck even on the discussion of consciousness(even shows in the above link at the bottom of the study) like they know so little they can’t even begin with reference that was ever agreed upon and burry any that contradict their hubris while making an assumption on consciousness.
All three of these groups are in constant contradiction depending on comfort level of ethics around consciousness. It’s like a shitty ballet around a non fact.
Kudos man.
Vegans on the internet seem like a psy-op and full of trolls. The vegans I meet are rarely that fucking crazy.
The cost of meat has gotten so expensive over the past decade that they vegan/vegetarian alternative is so much cheaper. I’m not a vegan. I’m just not going to spend $40 for a chunk of steak.
Even at dinner parties, I make tofu/vegan stuff. I make chicken patties, spaghetti and meatballs, Asian stir fry… All using mock protein. I tell people and they’re convinced it’s good too.
It’s the same concept of people being assholes online, but applied to those belief structures. They are just taking the freedom that anonymity provides and acting like their true selves. They’re just too afraid to be such insufferable assholes in person because of the response they KNOW they would receive.
Im vegetarian and met some internet vegans and vegies irl. Theeey are not fun…
either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not.
Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8052213/
I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can’t do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.
Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.
you know, empirical data was also used to determine that Africans and women didn’t have consciousness and were just mindless beasts.
perhaps in another 60-100 years we’ll have a better understanding of sentience and will determine that plants, being a different organism, lacks a brain or nervous system but has something comparable.
point is, just because you know something today doesn’t mean it’s factually the truth.
instead of basing decisions on your diet entirely from an emotional reaction, perhaps it’s best to determine your diet based on hard facts of nutritional value and environmental impact.
As I stated before: you’re inserting your own hubris of what consious means as if we agree.
I don’t agree with your definition of consciousness.
This means we cannot have an honest conversation on what that means as we already disagree with what consiousness means.
This does not mean I disagree plant based is valid on the other arguments. Just not this one.
As i said: it is unethical to even suggest it’s a matter of judgement on ethics as you’ve already down graded something in order just to be comfortable to judge someone else on their ethics. A complete discard of plants from the equation is egotistical of yourself to even go there.
you revealled you are already unequipped with ethics to be arguing ethics.
You are you’re own paradox of lack of ethics.
As I stated before: you’re inserting your own hubris of what consious means as if we agree.
Plants don’t have neurons. They don’t have consciousness. At all. There’s still debate as to whether insects have complex enough brains to have thoughts.
Quit being a pretentious dumbass and just shut the fuck up
No. I won’t shut up. You can calm down, grow up and disagree like an adult.
And all this so you can be judgy?
Find better goals in life.
You can go chill your heels on my block list troll.
And all this so you can be judgy?
The irony here is fucking painful to read. You’re the one being a judgy prick here.
on my block list
Good fucking riddance, you cowardly shitheel
I’m judgy of people that believe in chemtrails, and HAARP, and juice cleanses to treat cancer, too.
There is an objective world we can learn things about. People that reject that with “have an open mind, man” don’t deserve respect and their opinions are worth absolutely nothing.
Dumb fuck, plants can’t think.
it is unethical to even suggest it’s a matter of judgement on ethics as you’ve already down graded something in order just to be comfortable to judge someone else on their ethics. A complete discard of plants from the equation is egotistical of yourself to even go there.
It’s unethical for you to try to guilt me when you have no evidence for your psychotic claims.
Grow up, dipshit. Animals need your help. I value plants as well, but we should eat more of them and fewer animals. Eating animals harms even more plants. If you feel that strongly about it, cease consuming anything.
plants can’t think.
you know this can’t be proven
You’re ignoring evidence as well as my other point: cutting meat from your diet results in fewer plants consumed.
so? that has nothing to do with whether plants can think
The evidence does. As far as anyone can determine, plants cannot think.
Why are you willing to die on this hill? It’s really fucking stupid.
they are not conscious.
you can’t prove such a claim
Check the study I linked. It defines consciousness and explains their experiments in detail. Get more specific if you can refute those findings.
Again: plants don’t have brains.
Maybe you are also a plant?
read that study. it does not prove plants aren’t conscious. it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.
in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.
good catch. also the end of this so-called study has a bunch of bunk too:
Data availability
Not applicable.
Compliance with ethical standards
Conflict of interest
The authors declare that they have no conflict of interest.
Ethics approval
Not applicable.
Consent to participate
All authors consent.
Code availability
Not applicable.
i cant imagine how this thing got printed. it looks like something rfk junior spat out.
All that is missing is working out topless in some blue jeans with raw milk in a hot tub and kid rock smaking himself in the face failing a mic drop.
it does not prove plants aren’t conscious
Because a negative can’t be proven.
it casts doubt on the existing claims that they are.
Because evidence does not support those claims.
Theists use this same fallacious logic to pretend it’s acceptable to worship bronze age death gods.
Let’s all use our brains, please.
so you seem to understand that what I said is true
in the conclusion, they explicitly allow for the possibility that it may be proven that plants are conscious.
Do they? Please provide a quote, I’m not seeing anything like that in the conclusion.
Here’s the other thing: even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.
even if you are correct (which is not likely based on evidence), consuming plants instead of meat still reduces suffering. Eating plants directly is more efficient than eating animals that eat plants.
this has nothing to do with what I e been saying at all, and I am correct, as you explained in your other comment
and I am correct, as you explained in your other comment
Quote me. I said no such thing. I posed a hypothetical. Dumb fuck.
In conclusion, we feel we must speak forcefully: plant neurobiologists have become serial speculationists. The ratio of speculation to data in their oeuvre is astronomically high. If they want to form a sensible hypothesis and then test it with real experiments, that is fine, but the prolific speculating and fantasizing need to stop.
You can’t read?
If they want to form a sensible hypothesis and then test it with real experiments, that is fine, but the prolific speculating and fantasizing need to stop.
The speculators haven’t done this. They have asserted, with zero evidence, that plants can think. Meanwhile, the study I linked shows many attempts to observe plants expressing consciousness with no positive results. Support your claims with evidence or shut the fuck up, lives are at stake.
No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
That’s not what I’m doing. I’m going from the ground up. Based on all available evidence, plants do not feel fear or pain. Again, they have no brains. This information guides my choices, following my goal to reduce suffering in the world.
You’re the one thinking backwards. I never said they were “less than,” only that they lack consciousness. You’re pretending we should feel guilty for eating things that cannot think.
If you feel that strongly about it, stop consuming anything.
So you believe star fish and jelly fish are plants based on a lack of brain and just because fish can’t scream they aren’t conscious. This is your messed up imagined idea of what defines consciousness.
not mine.
And using KYS rhetoric in your other comment is unethical. This is exactly the problem with vegans and their conscious argument. You would indeed have to eat nothing to be truly ethical by the conscience standard. But starving to death and encouraging others to do so is also unethical.
Therefore it is a non starter argument as far as ethics are concerned.
And this is online bullying you’re engaging in. To say the least.
Enjoy the block list, psychopathic troll. I won’t be bullied by your bad faith arguments any further.
Holy shit, did you skip basic biology?
Kingdom phylum class species, do these words mean anything to you?
Jellyfish and starfish are animals, not plants. Not all things without brains are plants, but there are no plants with brains that we know of.
Jellyfish seemingly cannot feel pain and only have enough neurons to crudely sense their environment; I advocate against consuming any animals, but in terms of animal suffering it is probably less harmful to eat a jellyfish than a cow, chicken, pig, or even fish, which can feel pain.
My ethics include using scientifically acquired information to make the best choices we can. The fuck are you doing?
And using KYS rhetoric in your other comment is unethical.
Not if it reduces innocent suffering. Your lazy, stupid, selfish choices are deadly. You’re the one pretending we shouldn’t eat anything. Try it out. Let us know how it goes.
One thing: I absolutely hate vegan branding. Some things, I want it to TASTE like meat (like mock pork, or vegan nuggets).
Other things, I would rather it taste like a vegan version of it. Like tofurkey is not at all comparable to regular turkey. And any meat eater hoping to switch is going to be pissed.
Like no, this is a whole different meal man. Don’t get it twisted.
Green beans. My mom always made nasty-ass soggy canned green beans when I was a kid, and so I thought I hated beans for like two decades.
Then one day I decided to try sauteing some with garlic one day as an adult, and oh. My. God. Do I love green beans.
My mom’s canned beans still taste like shit.
I’m a green beans enjoyer too. Snap-frozen green beans have improved in quality quite a bit since I was a kid, but fresh ones in a curry, stew or peanut satay absolutely rock.
Any tips on a good peanut satay recipe?
I just use a jar of satay marinade as the sauce. Nothing special, I don’t bother to make the sauce myself.
All-veg satay for me is diced onion, caramelized in a spoon of tomato paste, 1 cup of mixed frozen veg (pea, corn, carrot), 1 cup frozen green beans, 1 can drained chickpeas, 1/4 cup red lentils (dried), a jar of satay marinade, half a jar of water, a bit of extra garlic, salt, pepper, and a few tablespoons of cornstarch slurry to thicken it up if it’s too loose, or a few cubes of frozen coconut milk if it’s too dry. 1/3 cup of rough chopped boiled peanuts if I have them.
I have a tray of this in the food dehydrator now, to dehydrate into backpacking meals.
I think there was a whole thread about people discovering their love for foods that their parents cooked shittily when they were kids. I’ll try to find it.
Years ago, I thought Linux was for nerds(which it is) and performed badly and was hard to use. Now I haven’t used Windows as a daily driver in 5+ years and every time I have to use someone else’s non Linux machine, it feels like an ancient machine with absolutely no character to it.
it really has come a long way in a short amount of time. took me only 2 months to learn it to the level that made me comfortable on it as a daily driver and even then i think 2 months is too generous if not for the fact that i built a very specific spec box for a very specific tech purpose using lots of core.if not for that it would have likely been less than a day to be setup on a linux workstation out of the box doing average computer stuff.
And wine and window emulators are plenty on linux so you can run windows programs anyways so there really is no missing out. i run windows office software and 7zip out of heroic only cuz i like having buttons and icons and a ui.
Just use Ark instead of 7zip. It’s even on flathub.
ok ill give that a try, thanks!
Absolutely!
Linux has gotten so good. As more and more of the population use web apps, there’s absolutely no need to even have a Windows OS.
For everyone who still would prefer applications and software, run a Linux OS.
Ritalin.
I’d heard all the stories about zombie kids and such. Then at 30 I was diagnosed with ADHD and it explained so much. My first ritalin was a life changer. Not a zombie - I could focus on what I wanted to, get things started, music stuck in my head gone, so many other things. Not perfect, but so much better.
I’m still pissed that for most of my life since I haven’t been able to have it or anything else to help.
Keeping and maintaining ADHD medication is so freaking difficult these days. It’s exhausting.
My wife has AuDHD - diagnosed with ADHD about the same time I was (age 30 for her, too). She’s still able to take meds, and yeah, it is a damn struggle every single month.
And recently, the hospital system her PCP is in changed the rules so that you have to have therapists re-confirm the diagnosis every three months. She already had to drug-test every three months (ironically to make sure it was detected so they know she’s taking them and not selling them… :eyeroll:)
Yeah my boy friends pharmacy refused to fill his script because they deemed his dose so high and called all the pharmacies around so his doctor had to lower his dose and now it doesn’t do anything for him. Yeah it sucks to have ADHD these days.
Damn how high a dose does that need to be? I’ve known people on 90.
He was on 120 but spread over 12 hours. He was on this for 8 years multiple doctors, multiple pharmacies across 3 States. This was the only pharmacist to have an issue with it.
Ah, for fucks sake.
In fairness to pharmacies in general, what many don’t know is that a pharmacist has more medical training than a doctor on medications and how they interact, so doctors do listen to pharmacists on that topic (typically) - and have reason to do so.
That said, this sounds like bullshit to me. A doctor or psychiatrist probably knows the dosage better imho, so this fucking stinks.
I’m sorry :(
Yeah he’s been on that dosage for years through 4 different doctors. It’s not like this current one just started him at a high dose. He’s one of those people who metabolizes his meds very fast. Like give him a 20mg adderall and give him a drug test 8 hours later and he’ll pass, kinda fast. Every medication he’s on is a higher dose than average. And the pharmacist can see everything he’s on too.
I’m amazed at how many parents, including ones of my generation [millenials], are afraid of ADHD medication. Especially considering the volume of research on ADHD and the effectiveness of stimulants that has come out since the 90’s.
“But it will change little Timmy’s personality.”
Yeah, that’s hyperactivity. Not his personality. People don’t normally act like the Looney Toons Tazmanian Devil on crack.
“But he might become dependent on it.”
And i’m sure people with missing limbs spend a lot of time worrying about becoming dependent on prosthetics. You know what you should really be concerned about him becoming dependent on? Drugs and alcohol. Because self-medicating is real and the statistics are not in Timmy’s favor.
I have a below-knee amputation. I AM dependent on my prosthesis to get around. lol
That’s the thing I especially liked about the ritalin - no waiting days for it to get to a working level, it kicked in, worked, and when it was gone, it was GONE. heh. Which meant I could take it when I wanted to get stuff done, and if I didn’t care about getting stuff done, I could refrain from taking it, and that worked perfectly.
And the zombie thing - I’d almost said - but I realized after my experiences on it… yeah, kid might look like a zombie because instead of being distracted by everything, they’re sitting there concentrating on their work, getting shit done. Not staring-into-space zombie, GETTING-SHIT-DONE-POWERHOUSE lol.
Ay, I’m so glad you found what works for you! ☺️
lol, sounds like you didn’t catch my last sentence, but no worries, I found it amusing <3
I’m reading correctly you have it now, right? I’m glad you have it now :)
If they’re experience was anything like mine, the first two to three days is the only really effective time. There are other lasting effects, but nothing compared to the first few days. Those days are a tiny glimpse into what life COULD be like with a more neurotypical brain, but we don’t usually get to stay that way.
I was able to have it for around a year, give or take, but they kept trying to send me to the therapist for something like an annual re-diagnosis or something - “Yes, he still has it!” I guess… this was 2007-2008 and in a small metro. So I wasn’t able to keep it.
I think that’s long enough for the initial to wear down a little, but they did put me on 20mg tid, so while sometimes I did get a little energy boost, for the most part, that was what worked the best - and I could absolutely easily sleep on that, tending to support the level. heh.
The initial dose I had was 10mg, and yeah, after a while they bumped it to 20mg because I adjusted a bit, but it was still useful as long as I had it.
But as you allude - I even still remember how it felt, and I’ve been able to tap into that a little bit. Not to overcome executive disfunction, but it somehow helps me focus when I want to a little better somehow. Somehow just having it helped me accommodate a little better. Sometimes. Well, occasionally. Well, it feels like it anyway, or I can at least say “I know what I would do if I was on ritalin right now” hehehe
lol, this is completely unimportant
but
No, I had it initially, and then - as I said - I haven’t had it since then, alas.
Ah, okay. I misunderstood what was meant by your first comment
My mom boiled brussels sprouts and I hated them. As an adult who knows to roast them, they’ve become one of my favorite vegetables.
My mom’s cooking was terrible in her 30s aka my childhood. It really has improved so much since. Guess with raising kids she just did not want to bother putting in the effort just to end up with something delicious which your kids refuse to eat anyway.
People also did a lot of work to reduce the bitter glucosinolates https://www.bhg.com/news/brussels-sprouts-less-bitter/
the only problem is the amount of oil to produce the crispy brussel sprouts kind of undoes the health they bring to a diet.
at least the amount of oil restaurants will drown them in.
Do it at home with an air fryer. Almost no oil, if any, required. Just make quarters and add some seasoning
I haven’t had a brussel sprout in idk how long, and have no idea how they were cooked, but could you avoid this with air frying?
absolutely but restaurants always do it their own way with too much oil and salt.
Guy Fieri.
I actually liked Guy Fieri. His face is on my local restaurant because he visited and that “Fieri bump” gave them a lot of traffic.
That was until I learned he may lean Trump.
People make fun of him but he’s just a happy dude who likes food.
I just heard someone on a podcast point out that they never actually show him eating food in his shows. They always cut away and then back to him just as the ‘bite’ is hidden away inside his mouth.
Do with that what you will.
Interesting. Apparently the criticism is that he never swallows. But I did a quick search and found this: https://www.wired.com/story/this-streamer-has-convinced-the-internet-guy-fieri-never-swallows-food-on-diners-driveins-dives/
As critics of the conspiracy theory were quick to point out, some of this sleight-of-fork is to be expected in the production of DDD. Fieri visits lots of restaurants in a short span of time and can’t eat full meals at all of them. Sometimes a second or third (or tenth) take is necessary, and it’s not practical to take a new bite for each. Certain editing choices are no doubt for the sake of continuity and flow: does the audience really want or need those few extra seconds of awkward silence as Fieri finishes chewing a morsel of barbecued meat and gulps it down?
Others simply disputed the accusation that Fieri is faking it. “Not true,” Joe Sasto, a chef who has competed on a Food Network Tournament of Champions series hosted by Fieri, commented on the Doctor Spaghetti video that ignited the no-swallow controversy. “I’ve filmed plenty of shows with him. He eats EVERYTHING.”
Vocaloid. I used to think it was about worship anime-like figures. And the voices in music were just too squeaky for me. But now I realize that the figure worshiping was just practiced by some westerns that I’ve come across, and that it’s actually just a tool to make music vocals. I found out that japanese (and other) individuals make really cool music with it. The squeaky voices just took some time to get used to.
It’s definitely a unique fandom when compared to any other music genre fandom. Nowhere else can you find singers who can sing any genre and be both the best and worst singers ever.
As for anyone who doesn’t like things like the squeaky voices, there are songs that don’t have them tuned that way if you look hard enough. One of my favorites is In Verbatim by SteamPianist and Clockwork. A kind of jazzy song. Either that or this slower song, a cover of a song called Star Story done by one メープル ( Maple ).
Soups!
I think my first experiences as a child were tomato soups that just tasted bad to me.
Now I love minestrone, chicken and corn, beef and vegetable, pea and ham, and more! Often a slice of toast or crackers or croutons with.
I hated Coheed and Cambria because a coworker that I didn’t get along with liked them. Then I was at a festival and saw them perform live and ended up liking them.
Very similar. A coworker of mine in maybe 2005 or so was a huge fan. I didn’t dislike him, but I did think his music taste sucked. So I thought Coheed and Cambria sucked. Then I saw them live several years later at a festival, and was blown away. I admit I was dead wrong. Listened to every album since and they are incredible composers and performers.
It would be easier to tell what I initially liked due to wrong representation but dislike now.
Genshin impact. I heard about how it was a “Zelda clone” and full of predatory gacha slop and I refused to play it. Then during the pandemic I saw an AMV someone had made of a bunch of the cutscenes and I was impressed by the cutscene quality. I was also broke and had too much time on my hands, so I installed it intending to stop playing when it hit a point where I couldn’t progress without paying to win.
6 years later and I’m still playing, with hundreds of hours of gameplay into it and a mostly free to play account. Occasionally I’ll throw $5 at it, but the hours of gameplay to money sink ratio is far less than almostany other game I’ve played. I’ve probably spent $100 total on a game I’ve played almost daily for 6 years.
I’ve had my ups and downs with it, but it’s for sure a good game, and it’s shaken up a whole industry of games to force them to do better.
I’m having that same experience with Honkai Star Rail. This is coming from a guy whose first games were on an Atari and pretty much quit any new gaming about the time Skyrim came out.
I was just thinking about how I enjoy watching album reaction / review videos, but for years I strongly disliked that genre of videos because the first two videos I watched from different channels covering the same song were both really misogynistic and minimizing the talent of the original artist.
